"They fought like the Sith Lords of old, raging back and forth across the roof of the spire, uncaring what happened around them. Starkiller maintained his efforts to get to Juno, and Darth Vader did everything in his power to stop him. Neither would capitulate. Neither would be the first to break. Their wills were locked."
Yeah, that certainly sounds like Darth Vader holding back when the text directly notes he was giving his all.
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The novelization takes place from Starkiller's perspective, and obviously wouldn't reveal Vader's trick because it was supposed to be a reveal. TFUIII was never made because Disney purchased Star Wars, for f*ck's sake.
TFU Vader is on Starkiller's level, and Starkiller can disintegrate cruisers and one-shot hundreds of stormtroopers at the same time.
Too bad it never happened and you got left with TOR instead, eh?
And you also have no idea if hypothetical Revan actually matches them in power, lol.
I love how nowhere in your reply do you actually respond to the argument that you were quoting, and instead just repeat your original assertion in different wording. I'm not going to deal with the circular reasoning fallacy you repeat again with respect to Vader's enemies, since it seems to be a little beyond your abilities. I'll instead deal with the only two hints of an actual argument that made your way into this:
1. vs. feats are more relevant to combat - too bad the feats in question, like Vader standing up to Galen and Galen one-shotting hundreds of soldiers at once, happen in the middle of combat. Try again.
2. Revan tanked a blast that could "affect life" within a one kilometer radius - Vader was standing right next to Starkiller's suicide blast that was visible from space, lol. Try again.
The original point that you completely ignored was that feat vs. "inanimate objects" provide us with a common reference point that controls for the confounding variable of unknown-strength opponents. When you finally graduate from high school, you might have to take a statistics class that will test you on things like this.
A strike team of people who are totally on Vader's level.
But if you can make actual arguments as to how the protags compare to Vader, rather than just throwing out an arbitrary feat and expecting people to translate it to "Revan > Vader" by intuition or something, go ahead and try.
You're mentally retarded. That's canon Vader, and he seems to be able to take out AT-ATs just fine.
No, it means that you basing your entire argument on just dismissing TFU feats because you don't like them is lolworthy.
What's your standard then, aside from the hilariously circular one that we shouldn't accept feats that are too powerful?
Logic 101: not having other feats for these Jedi means that their abilities independent of their performance against Vader would be unknown, not weak. It makes more sense to use the known quantity (Vader) to measure the unknowns, not the other way around. Duh.
Your lack of understanding of the distinction between upper and lower limits aside, you still haven't provided a single cogent argument as to why I can't use TFU feats, aside from them being inconvenient to your Revan fanboyism.
Yes, TFU creators wanted their protag to be extremely powerful, so they made him incredibly powerful. The question of *why* he's really good doesn't change the fact that he is, roflamo.
Because the other 35 are against unknowns, and I understand basic statistics?
Of course you think that.
BTW, I've been told by other sources that you're a socially awkward, ugly loser who's afraid to talk to people in real life, so whatever you can frame me for on an internet board, in the real world, you still lose. Nothing you do can change that.
Last edited by The Ellimist on Apr 28th, 2016 at 09:36 PM
And the main point of a small team was to infiltrate them, glad we cleared that up.Right, lets selectively quote from the text.
What about the fact that Vader was fending off his blow disinterestedly? That his defenses were impenetrable? Or the fact at one point Vader had Marek moments away from a killing blow? Or the fact that when he got serious, he had Marek in an "indefensible position"? Or the fact that Vader is stated to not be trying to kill his apprentice and is instead stated to be "still testing him?" Irrelevant right?
And for the record, Vader doing everything in his power to stop Marek getting to Juno, doesn't mean he was doing everything in his power to defeat and indeed kill him.
From Star Wars Insider #106. TFU is definitely incongruous with the films, but the feats aren't out of line with what they wanted the character to be. It's no more or less exaggerated than SWTOR.
"The Apprentice is the photo negative of Luke Skywalker. He's been raised by Darth Vader, and is what Luke would have become if he had joined his father. Vader's not a very nice daddy. This guy has been raised to be a Jedi. When the Jedi use the Force, they respect it and don't overuse it. The bad guys—the Sith—keep testing their limits. Vader discovered this person who had the potential to be the most powerful Force user ever. He's up there with the top tier. He's extremely powerful. Vader has trained him in such a way that he just kept pushing his limitations, seeing how far he could use the Force. So, where a normal Jedi might use the Force to trick his way past a few stormtroopers, the apprentice might use the Force to bring down an adjacent building on top of those stormtroopers. He's extremely confident in everything he does. He's been trained by Vader to be an assassin, an unstoppable force."
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TFU is over the top, but the question is why. The answer is evidently that the protag is incredibly powerful, which is an in-universe explanation that doesn't render it invalid, lol.
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I was talking about the sentence, not the image. The part about no one caring about your opinion. Because your argument is just a whole lot of opinions. Nothing more.
Apr 28th, 2016 09:27 PM
The novelization takes place from Starkiller's perspective, and obviously wouldn't reveal Vader's trick because it was supposed to be a reveal. TFUIII was never made because Disney purchased Star Wars, for f*ck's sake.
Yes, TFU creators wanted their protag to be extremely powerful, so they made him incredibly powerful. The question of *why* he's really good doesn't change the fact that he is, roflamo.
