I'm surprised since usually this is about the time the "Thor has FTL reflexes" people come out.
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You have not seen any of the Thor speed debates? That essentially come down to saying Thor isn't really someone who can run around at super speed like Flash or Superman, but that he is someone who can at least react to them.
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You literally just quoted me talking about the difference between reaction and running so yes. The point I was basically making is I am surprised people are not saying Thor will be able to react in time to do "insert something he does with his hammer" to Gladiator before Gladiator can KO him.
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Oh...hmmm. Well you have to look at it from a different perspective. He's never been blitzed. Even those ridiculously faster than him like say Surfer have yet to use their superior speed for a definitive win. So you reach a couple conclusions either he's just as fast (unlikely) has reflexes to match (more likely) or they are jobbing ( possibility) u gotta suspend belief. I dont know. Honestly unless you're a flash the speed advantage is moot. Its never used like ever. I mean think of all the slow bricks that compete with people super fast Grundy, Hulk, Cain, Thing, General etc etc...its just a cheap way to say someone wins simply because they are fast
So you don't think Thor is quick enough to react to Gladiator? I mean I don't think he is either.
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Reaction time is a length of time to react to a stimulus. E.g. seconds, milliseconds, etc.
Physical speed is physical speed. Speed meaning distance/time, of course.
There is of course short burst speeds, and long distance speeds, but they are interconnected, and the former is not orders of magnitude faster than the latter.
You can't have FTL short burst speeds and maybe Formula 1 speed level distance speed.
Your muscles aren't millions of times faster than...your own muscles.
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Which Thor?
Jane would own him. Her relationship with Mjolnir seems more intimate more finesse driven. She's running on feminism and marvels attempt at changing the status quo. Shed never lose to a knock off. I mean look at the shits she's done with the hammer that odinson hasnt.
Thor Odinson. This is a more equal fight. He's less than he was. With the ax he would take a few. But if he were to get disarmed hed be in trouble.
Classic Thor. The one everyone thinks of when you hear the name Thor would wreck Gladiator. Hes marvels superman. He has the feats to back any win over gladiator. Yea he has lows but his highs dwarf everything in Gladiators handbook.
But earlier you said Gladiator would beat Thor, but now you seem to be saying the opposite.
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Comics are based off real life logic though. Otherwise, it's impossible to debate anything if we can't use real logic. I can argue that Captain America is stronger than full powered Tyrant and get away with it.
This 'combat speed' fallacy is some idiotic shit peddled by people who support characters without super speed but wish they had it. They can't have their cake, but still want a slice.
"He's super fast! But not really...But he really is!"
Which really boils down to creating a situation where the 'super speed reaction/slow movement speed' character has to see his own self in slow motion since he can't actually move fast.
Thor vs Quicksilver, in a 100 meter dash race. Let's say if Thor loses the race, Earth blows up, so he has reason to run as fast as he can. That's a short distance, so that's definitely a burst speed situation. QS wins. No questions right? Right. No questions. Quicksilver ran from the east coast to the west coast in seconds flat, which Thor will never do.
Let's say Thor has a fight with Gladiator. Since the claim is Thor has FTL speeds, then let's say the fight takes place in nanoseconds. (light moves only 1 foot in a nanosecond). Let's say Thor sidesteps and dodges Gladiator several times, and the fight takes place across 10 nanoseconds.
Let's say in that 10 nanoseconds of fight time, Gladiator and Thor move around a total of 100 feet or so. So they are moving an average of 10 times the speed of light during their fight. Is that reasonable to you?
If it is, then why the **** wouldn't Thor easily be able to overtake QS in a straight 100 meter dash?
Does his brain have an automatic switch that makes his muscles switch between Barry Allen mode and Wolverine mode depending on if its a fight or not?
It's idiocy at its finest.
You can't have super reactions, without having superspeed. Period. They are the same damn thing. Comics just have people with superspeed job to people without it often, that's not the same as actually being fast, that's having plot help you, which does not aid you in a forum fight.
The only exceptions I can think of are robots that are specifically programmed as such. Robocop for example, can catch bullets out of the air with his fingers, and even shoot bullets out of the air with his own. Yet his movement speed is human level.
Since he is not an organic being with muscles that work in proportion to each other, this is fine. It just means his arms are engineered and programmed to work fast, but his legs are not.
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