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For those who like to ignore physics. I will held you accountable next time you want to quantify a feat.
That is Carver level logic.
And here I will go with Thor, just because Glads is an idiot and he is a c lister character who has no one worth to mention under his belt, even though he should win because of the speed advantage.
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Incredibly, Gladiator's best showings against Thor come from alt reality versions of Glads.
In the Black Celestial story arc in the 90s Fantastic Four issues, Gladiator (from the future) had some damn impressive showings.
An exhausted Gladiator sensed Reed and crew (the FF + Thor + Iron Man) stealing tech from a Shi'ar outpost. He did this from HUNDREDS of light years away WHILE Reed and his friends were moving at HYPER speeds (some tech Reed equipped them with).
Then there's the time Gladiator schooled Masterson Thor and then just stood there like an idiot instead of finishing off the fight. And another time an alt reality (future) version of Gladiator humiliated Thor and he was saved by Tarene (or whatever her name is).
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Who said anything about comics as a separated form of fiction?
It makes no sense for an organic being to have orders of magnitude faster movement speed 'in a fight' vs movement speed in a run. The exact same muscles are being used, and your muscles can't be orders of magnitudes faster than your own muscles. That's the idiotic statement that would have to be passively agreed to.
You can't just hand-wave everything with 'its fiction', else we would never use terms like PIS or CIS in the first place.
I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, for example some characters automatically gain stat amps when they are fighting.
And I can't believe people have yet to understand the Bruce Lee vs Usain Bolt comparison for what it really is.
Two high level human athletes (and thus their perception speed is equivalent), who have muscle memory specialized for two different activities (though both activities are anaerobic/fast twitch dominant). One for fighting, and one for sprinting. In relative terms there may be a big difference between their capabilities, but in absolute terms, there isn't. Both are in the same range. The human range.
Usain Bolt wouldn't have the natural ingrained reactions to an incoming punch, so he won't move or counter with as much efficiency, but he could obviously train to overcome that and get better. Could he be as great a fighter as Bruce Lee? It's possible. Hell he could be better. We don't know his intangibles (heart, chin, how fast he learns and adapts etc), but he has the physical requirements down. Fast twitch muscles are a god-send for fight potential. See Ali and Roy Jones Jr.
If you simply ask Bolt to throw the most basic punch ever, as fast as he can (a jab), then most likely his jab would actually be faster or at least as fast as Lee's. Partly because Usain Bolt is a fast-twitch God, and partly because his limbs are longer than Lee's so his fist will likely be traveling at a greater speed. Simple physics on that.
Will his jab be as *quick* to be thrown at as Lee's? Obviously no, he will have some wasted motion and telegraphing in the start up, but the end speed won't change.
On the other hand, Bruce Lee no matter how much he trained, would ever be as fast as Usain Bolt at his peak. That's just biology.
Usain Bolt is like ~27 mph. On average more like 23. Bruce Lee, might be able to run 13.
But, the main thing is that their perception speed is equivalent, being human.
27 mph would feel roughly the same to both of them (it would feel somewhat faster to Lee since he is shorter).
If Usain Bolt's was perception speed was so much better than Lee's that his 27mph felt like only 13 mph does to Lee though, then he'd whoop Lee no matter how much muscle memory Lee has built up in fighting.
He'd see Lee moving in relative slow motion.
But he doesn't. 27 mph is still 27 mph, to both of them.
The Usain Bolt/Bruce Lee comparison was used for two speedsters. Superman and WW. That just means they are in the same 'range', but that Superman has greater raw speed and Wonder Woman is better trained as a fighter and thus less wasted motion.
It is not some kind of "Gotcha!" analogy that can explain how someone immensely slower than Quicksilver (which Thor is) can fight someone orders of magnitude faster than Quicksilver (which Gladiator is).
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