I'm sorry, but the problem with this "writer's intent" argument is that it's only being used to supplement one side rather than to observe and analyze both characters. The characters and their stories aren't written by the same person (though with the way comic books are passed around, it wouldn't surprise me if that somehow changed), and intent is not necessarily shared between authors because you suddenly need them to be. As it stands what would otherwise be a more correct approach to a 'character vs' debate is being applied as nothing more than a desperate crutch in the name of favoritism. To draw any sort of meaningful conclusion you would have to fairly assess both characters from a balanced, dignified perspective rather than arbitrarily assuming that the rules of one narrative somehow take precedence over the other.
Before anyone jumps to conclusions (like I feel they inevitably will), allow me to admit outright that I much prefer Saitama to Superman, but I'm not going to pretend that Saitama's victory is a certainty based solely on OPM narrative or trivia conjecture (especially given what little is actually known or understood of it as of right now).
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Last edited by Etherean Fire on May 24th, 2016 at 07:25 PM
Not to sound like an ass but people rooting against Saitama keep forgeting that Superman has been hurt by plenty of weaker characters than OPM.....
Anyone could bring 100s of scans where we see him being injured by other villains...
Unlike Clark, Saitama has never been hurt before.....not saying he is indestructible but it would be really hard for Superman to even make him feel pain.
Its kind of hypocrisy to pretend only skyfather lvl being can hurt SM while he just 1 shots 5d imps while we know that's not true on avarage.
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Last edited by Estacado on May 24th, 2016 at 08:11 PM
Saitama's never been punched or grappled with a character nearly as strong as Superman.
It is possible that eventually Saitama will get feats that will allow him to defeat Superman (I am of the opinion that he probably will), but as of right now? Too weak (by feats) and too slow.
That's kind of the point I'm making. People tend to be very selective about what they wish to present as or consider "valid" evidence in order to make a case that more conveniently aligns with their biases.
Well, Superman has shown limits, Saitama hasn't. So the writer of Saitama has the creative ability to create a character to bypass the Superman's limits that were shown. Now if Superman didn't have any durability limit then you are absolutely right. The writer has no authority to say whether or not his character can beat Superman in a single punch.
Saitama has vaporized an entire mountain with effortless ease. This is sufficient strength to seriously damage Superman, if not ko him. If you disagree then you have to also agree that average Thor can't harm Superman with Mjolnir since average Thor can't vaporize a mountain with a Mjolnir strike.
Saitama, while holding back, being able to hit Aquaman into many pieces of flesh, and yet can't ko Superman with a single strike is pretty fishy logic.
The last character Saitama fought was as strong as Superman (actually stronger than average Superman). Superman on average can't hit someone to the moon (at his best he can though). Yet Saitama killed him in one serious punch (not Koed but killed). Killing someone is magnitudes above koing them were they would eventually up fine.
Technically speaking, he has no authority to say so regardless of whether or not Superman has limited durability (after all, Boros did and he still took more than one hit), and anyone on Earth has the "creative ability" to imagine a character or entity capable of hypothetically f**king the universe by furrowing their brow. That still only leaves you in control of your own writing, but I guess if we were ever to reach such a point of redundant absudity common sense (depending on your definition of that, anyways) would suddenly suffice in a 'versus' scenario. That is, of course, unless all creators involved decided to engage an ongoing intellectual (term used lightly) pissing match to see who can create a more powerful/less meaningful character.
I never really "disagreed" with anything other than the notion of a seemingly one-sided call to "writer's intent" in the hopes of making a stronger case. I'm not really sure what the purpose of bringing up Thor here is. I never once defended him on anything to a contrary effect, and at no point in the discussion did I ever reference or even mention him in such a way.
Speaking of characters I never mentioned, I find the Aquaman comparison somehow even less relevant, so again, I fail to see what he has to do with anything (nice on the "fishy" pun, though). Also, I'm not exactly sure what "logic" of mine you're referring to. The one in which I abstain from making assumptions one way or the other as to whether or not Saitama could or couldn't OHKO Superman? Because beyond that I haven't really given much of a definite opinion on the matter given my admitted relative ignorance of Superman lore.
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Last edited by Etherean Fire on May 25th, 2016 at 02:53 AM
Superman on average can't punch someone to the moon? That is silly. I don't get it sometimes you wank the character but here you do the opposite.
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He didn't even punch him. The Shockwaves from his punch killed a Herald level being and split the sky across the planet. Superman in his wet dreams can not kill a Herald with just the shockwave's of his punches. It takes a Superman reader to know this.
A ft less Doomsday who doesn't have a durability showing worth anything. Provide proof that Saitama would not turn Doomsday into dust with a single hit.
Lol...Wraith would get destroyed by Saitama as well. He couldn't even withstand the pressure of Earth core. He sure as hell isn't withstanding too many hits from Saitama. Neither will DCNU Superman who has the worst track record when it comes to battles. His only successful fight is against Doomsday, a Doomsday who doesn't have a durability showing worth mentioning.
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May 24th, 2016 07:21 PM
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