No and again I point out, as you noted to take everything into everything into account....which I am, there's no real ground forces in ST is there?
As I recall, I don't recall any giant war walkers, tanks, troopers, air/drop ships, cannons, planetary shield generators that can survive orbital bombardments, enough resources to establish military bases with defensive perimeters, and so on in ST. It's all been mostly space with them.
So as noted, SW has it in terms of military technology.
Exploration I'll give to ST, but SW shouldn't be that far behind with what we see as far as the variety of different alien species and their hyperdrive capability.
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Borg.
They can adapt also to the weapons of the Star Wars aka their lasers, etc. They can also assimilate. Augments(genetically superior), Klingons(warrior like race), Borg, Vulcans, Romulans, etc.
The new film also has plenty of invasion type forces with thousands of ships that would decimate the slower and terrible star destroyers.
But as you said, what is shown in the films only correct?
Ok....again I ask, did they show anything of what I just said? I don't care about space.
Tell me...what GROUND BASED FORCES they have.
They have Klingons....warrior race, ok fine.
Augments...again fine.
Do they have war walkers? Do they have dropships that can drop walkers and troops in mid-combat? Do they have assault ships that could provide air support? Do they have tanks? Do they have cannons? Do they have military bases which could fend off an enemy assault on ground? Do they have planet based shield generators which could protect them from enemy fire?
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Yes, and there were a lot of Borg shown in the film First Contact.
Star Wars definitely has more ground forces but I believe a superior Air Force would negate that. They are conquering not trying to minimize casualties. Does a tank have a chance against an F 15 ?
Once the Borg adapt to their weaponry and assimilate they are going to bolster their ranks.
Lmao @ this abysmal attempt to lessen Trek's extreme inferiority to SW.
Executor solo's all of Starfleet. 19km long, over 5,000 turbolasers and ion cannons, 13 engine thrusters, and Darth Vader and Admiral Peitt at its command.
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The imperial starfleet moved from behind Yavin IV to circumvent the Rebels in about a minute.
That's hardly an outlier; Rogue Squadron made a wide arc around Yavin to engage the Death Star within minutes; we're talking about them traveling hundreds of thousands of kilometers in like 150 seconds.
Even the Death Star was able to circumnavigate said gas giant in 30 minutes.
Now imagine how much energy these ships must be able to produce to power such accelerations - well, you don't need to imagine. You can do the math, and it works out nicely to the stats in Saxton's Incredible Cross Sections.
You see, when you look past the "gut feeling" technique and actually analyze and calculate the scenes and events in question, Star Wars comes out ahead by orders of magnitude. The math has been done; the Executor actually could crush the entire Alpha Quadrant without breaking much of a sweat. The disparity really is that massive.
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Do you want me to pull up a few youtube videos to disabuse you of your notion that the Alpha Quadrant powers possess amazing combat speeds? I just need to show you a Borg Cube battle, or one from the Dominion Wars, lmao.
Regardless, it doesn't matter; as I explained, the combined Alpha Quadrant powers couldn't scratch the paint of the Executor, regardless of how slow you think it is. More meaningful than combat speed is FTL speed; the Executor could strike at any planet within hours of deciding to do so, and there's simply no way for the Alpha Quadrant powers to respond in any meaningful time-frame. They won't get to combat, let alone to show off their non-existent maneuverability.
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If you're talking about two humanoid fighters, I'd agree. But you're talking about spaceships and galactic dog fights were the speed at which you travel and move is everything.
How does a ship even have combat speed?
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