"It was an All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self, not merely a thing of one Space-Time continuum, but allied to the ultimate animating essence of existence’s whole unbounded sweep; the last, utter sweep which has no confines and which outreaches fancy and mathematics alike. It was perhaps that which certain secret cults of earth have whispered of as YOG-SOTHOTH."
Da ****? Was that supposed to counter his point? Theres no difference hearing it in person makes. Khem says he did it single-handedly. That Khem ate from them afterwards is irrelevant.
Why not? He saw it in person. The whole reason he was in love with him was because the guy was so ****ing badass. Lying about him defeats the whole point.
The Jedi, or Sith, kind of still need to have a presence in the Force to be eaten. Not to mention he's didn't just ignore something he posted where Khem said he was there.
More importantly, duh. It's called gaining context, instead of just drinking the Kool Aid. Khem Val is hardly a great source for anything Hord has ever done, being so starry eyed he ignored his own slavery.
Now, while I believe Khem stood there and did shit, along with Hord's entire army, while Tulak slapped his ballsack into the face of armies of Jedi, but somehow didn't see getting stabbed in the back coming, I'll take my chances.
Calling Yog omnipotent is cancerous. He's omniscient, but so is The Beyonder. For gods sakes, Yog is barred from entering the Hilbert Space totality of Lovecraft. Omnipotent my ass.
The Beyonder literally IS the beyond realm, which is an infinite-dimensional multiverse ala the Cthulhu Mythos. The transfinite, (defined as beyond infinite,) Marvel Multiverse is a microbe by comparison.
__________________ ”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”
Um, he's literally the embodiment of all of time and all of space, and is at the same time beyond the entire Space-Time continuum of any universe. He's also described as limitless and just him talking feels as though every single universe(it's confirmed there's an infinite number of them) is converged onto one point. So him talking generates shockwaves as powerful as a combination of infinite universes. Sounds omnipotent to me.
Great, and Nyar, who Yog is at least equal to, has destroyed a number of beyond-infinite universes and Azathoth, someone who both Yog and Nyar are comparable to, has created and destroyed multiverses with his mere presence and is implied to be capable of destroying all of creation(besides his immediate children) if we wakes up.
1. He's not omnipotent in the same way TOAA is. He can't do as he pleases. He's literally restricted from consciously entering time and space. And no, him talking was comparable to universes colliding, not infinite universes. Azathoth is truly omnipotent, not Yog Sothoth.
2. What the hell are you defining beyond-infinite universes and Multiverses as? Because the Cthulhu mythos is a singular Hilbert Space Multiverse. And no, Yog and Nya aren't comparable to a truly omnipotent being. Heck, neither is The Beyonder.
__________________ ”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”
1. He's not restricted, he's just beyond time and space of the multiverse. He's literally described as "limitless" in an overall sense. And Yog-Sothoth is the off-spring of Azathoth and he and Nyar are implied to be the ones that put Azathoth to sleep, so he can't destroy everything he touches. He's comparable to his Father in some way.
2. The Hilbert Space Multiverse is literally described as being a number of infinite universes on several occasions, and Azathoth, Nyarlathotep and Yog-Sothoth exist outside it's realities, so that's beyond infinity.
1. As I remember, Yog SOTHOTH cannot enter standard space-time as he pleases. Therefore he's not omnipotent. Heck, the fact that he even was birthed is proof that he's not truly omnipotent. Only Azathoth, the dreamer, is really omnipotent. And when is it implied that Nyar and Yog put Azathoth to sleep? At best from what I remember he's soothed by flutes playing retarded Lovecraft space-time vibration noises to keep him from awakening.
2. Cool. Now when did Nyarlathotep or Yog or anyone in Cthulhu destroy an infinite number of universes? Because The Beyonder could destroy the Transfinite, (which, again, means a beyond infinite number of universes,) marvel multiverse by thinking too hard. Similar to Yog, The Beyonder literally is the Hilbert Space Beyond Realm, except that there's a lot more context for power in comics and The Beyonder can go where he wants when he wants, where as Yog SOTHOTH can't enter physical space. Heck, PR Beyonder's vast inferior, the Molecule Man, can shove an omniverse in a box for lulz.
__________________ ”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”
1. Yog Sothoth could enter it, actually. He simply didn't want to. The entire theme of Lovecrafts lore is that our race, our planet, heck our entire damn universe, is simply insignificant to higher-up beings. Yog himself admitted humans and such alien races are of little significance to him. And if he really couldn't enter our Multiverse, how were Carter, the insane Arab and confirmed other ten people just from our planet able to summon him and break the boundries of our space and his realm? Are you going to argue a hocus-pocus spell cast by a mere mortal can break the bonds of something a being like Yog-Sothoth can't break? That'd just be ridiculous, and completely contradictory to Lovecraft's and his Lovecraftian followers' work claiming he is limitless. In fact, Yog is responsible for the mad Arab writting the Necronomicon, which is the only thing that allows someone to acess the knowledge to summon Yog-Sothoth.
And the fact that those daemons that beat the monotone drums and blow the flutes of idiots are implied to have spawned from Nyar and Yog(i.e. Yog and Nyar being their very essence/soul/creator) it implies at least some comparable power. Also, Yog-Sothoth and Nyar were literal personifications of beyond-infinite Space and Time:
And sources have even claimed Yog-Sothoth is the chief and supreme Archtype, which implies he's surpassed his Father.
2. Except Yog-Sothoth isn't limited to where he can go and himself literally exists outside of all matter, which is an infinite number of multiverses, each having an infinite number of universes. And it's strongly implied he, Nyar and to an extent Azathoth created this given that they are called the Creators and are literally the only beings that the mythos can spawn from. Also, based on what is Molecule Man vastly inferior to the Beyonder? I recall them stalemating each other, in fact.
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