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yeah Marek's duels with Kota, Paratus, and even Shaak don't put him above Nyriss as a duelist by any means. His duel with Vader is a completely different story though.
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It's the shamans mission to train native Felucians how to use the Force so they don't fall to the Darkside and tilt the balance.
Except your forgetting Shaak was there for years and already had a firm control of the planet. How does it mean she was fighting on a nexus? It simply means the balance is easily shifted making the feat you like to tote around vastly less impressive especially since Maris essentially replicated it.
She only managed to do this by essentially sacrificing herself. She's not capable of pushing Galen to that point without putting her own life at risk as we saw. An instinctual force push brough on by his reflexes and precog. There's no such thing as luck. What the graphic novel actually shows ( and the novel for that matter ) is that Shaak with the aid of an entire planet is unable to hold off Marek for long let alone defeat him. In the novel this drives her to desperation in the comic Galen releases a repulse when he was being held in place by the Saarlac and Shaak was still to weak to defend against it. Either way you spin it: Galen was the superior in the situation.
If you don't understand hyperbole when I said "All I do is troll on KMC" then I actually wouldn't be surprised considering you just completely made up the latter half of that last segment.
Last edited by Syndicate on Jun 30th, 2016 at 03:24 PM
No it doesn't. It says that after Maris falls to the Dark Side, she turns the other Shamans to the Dark Side, not that she's responsible for the Dark Side infesting Felucia itself:
To further counter your point, it's revealed that Shaak's death is the cause of the Dark Side:
Evidently, you either made this up or there's another TFU Campaign guide I'm not aware of.
No, it isn't. Shaak Ti trained the shamans to train the natives, but evidently the Shamans too well to the Dark Side when Maris took over because Maris trained them that way.
Two problems: 1. Maris didn't replicate it, you've made that up. 2. If it can be swayed by any Force sensitive, a more powerful one should logically sway it in their favour. Either way, this argument holds no water.
She didn't only manage to drive Galen back, then land three searing blows he couldn't defend against by sacrificing herself. And trust me, there's always been luck. I recall even Galen believing he was lucky to defeat Shaak Ti, so yeah it was indeed just a lucky Force Push. Also, to further add to this, the Force Unleashed Campaign Guide that you "tote around" actually confirms Shaak was distract partially during her struggle with Galen:
So Shaak is distracted and still driving Galen back and winning until a lucky Force Push appears.
Nice way to take something out of context -- Shaak was throwing Galen around with TK and Kinetite. How she couldn't overwhelm him is beyond me when the panels clearly show her doing it. PROXY's own hype for his master is irrelevant to me(given the fact that he's the one that says "despite Shaak having a planet on her side, she can't hold Galen down"), because we see simple as day on the page what's happening. Ti leaves the Sarlaac to devour Galen and what happens? Galen cheapshots her while her back is turned:
How was I suppose to know you were hyperbolic, exactly? Besides, all your opinions and arguments do seem to be like that of a troll, and you've been trying to spite me for days now. And no, not made up at all given the fact that you did, in fact, try to get out of several debates(not just with me but other users, as well) where you've been pushed on your backfoot through some weak excuse.
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Directly after it states how shaman are always wary of allowing an agent of the Dark Side to inhabit Felucia fearing that the planet will be twisted to the Dark Side which is exactly what happens. Seems pretty clear to me.
Counter my point? You just helped me by not having to make search through the guide to post it.
Nowhere does it state that Shaak Ti's death caused the inbalance. It states that her death affected the Felucians deeply because she had control over the planet's environment and its inhabitants and that since her death the world had fallen to the Dark Side. If Shaak had been present then yes, the world would likely have remained an alas nexus. But it was her death and then the subsequent fall of Maris Brood to the Dark Side that caused the planet to shift to the Dark.
Actually it is. Read the Felucia, Felucians, Felucian Shamans under force sensitives and Felucian Shamans under Maris Brood and thats stated to be the case.
Two problems there. 1. The guide constantly makes reference to how a strong force user can shift the balance of the planet which is why shamans have to train all force sensitives and when Maris falls to the Dark Side and begins training shamans the planet shifts to the Dark Side so logically speaking it's likely Brood replicated Shaak's feat. 2. While Galen is of course a superior force user to Shaa the planet was already under her control and as you showed above with your quote, she was deeply connected to the the planet's environment and inhabitants.
And she wouldn't have been able to accomplish that had she not put her own life in danger, which she did. Luck doesn't exist. Only probability and chance. As you so often bring up it doesn't matter what a character believes, only what's logical.
Can I ask how any of those things are going to distract her during the actual fight? Sure she's going to be dealing with all that before Galen shows up but during the fight she's not going to be thinking about the Felucians training, Maris Brood and especially not remaining hidden when she's already been found. Use common sense if you have any left.
We have Shaak essentially killing herself to have a chance at defeating her opponent which she ultimately fails at not due to luck but because probability and chance dictated that Galen had a higher likelihood of surviving due his reflexes and precognition.
Throwing Galen around? Lol. He was at the edge of the cliff when she force pushed him. Ahsoka pushed Vader about as far, are we going to say she threw him now? She landed a hit with kinetitite that did absolutely nothing except serve to piss Marek off.
Again, you and I ( along with likely a majority of this forum ) have far different definitions of "overwhelming."
First legitimate point you've made. So what's it gonna be. Did she land 3 strikes on Galen before dying or did she land a few force attacks on him before being cheap shotted? Both versions contradict each other so you're going to have to choose one or the other to argue. As you know I always go with the book before anything else but I'm curious as to what path your going to choose.
Again Wolf, common sense. Lol, you must have a high opinion of yourself if you think I've been trying to spite you these last few days. I haven't for the record, I'm sorry if you feel that way but I don't know where you could have gotten that idea. You said that I myself admitted such when I never have. That's just your own assumption. The only debate I've ever walked out of on KMC is one with Ell because our responses had reached around 2 pages which was more then I was willing to do.
Last edited by Syndicate on Jun 30th, 2016 at 04:18 PM
Um, not it doesn't. That's the last fact of the "Felucia" section under Galactic Lore. There's nothing "directly after" it. And just to get this out of the way:
Under the Felucian Shamans it notes that they kept others from falling to the Dark Side, but this was under the tutilage of Shaak Ti, and even then it notes some Shamans did fall to the Dark Side. What Maris did is just further corrupt the Shamans that are already, while alert to the possibility of falling to the Dark Side, not infallible and can fall to it. So again: stop spreading a hoax. It never says Maris corrupted a planet, or that a strong enough Force user can off-balance the world. It just says Maris can turn a bunch of Shamans that are already suseptible to the darkness to the Dark Side, and nothing more.
The novel says that her death affected the planet deeply, and there's no longer someone to keep the Dark Side at bay. The comic also notes this:
And further proof from the novel:
And here's even more proof, this time directly stating that if Shaak dies the Dark Side will take hold:
What all the sources point to is Felucia being a Dark Side Nexus that Shaak Ti tamed, and when she died the Dark Side took hold again, Maris sped up the process by training the Shamans to the Dark Side. So let's run this down, you still:
1. Have no proof any Force user can shift the planet's balance.
2. Have only been arguing using an out-of-context quote for Maris.
3. Are too thick-headed to accept this and are still arguing that turning the already vulnerable Shamans to the Dark Side is switching the planet's alliance.
1. No it doesn't, lol. It makes strong references to the Felucians, particularly the Shamans, being Force sensitive, how Shaak's own presence and training of the Shamans kept the Dark at bay and prevented most of the Shamans from falling to the Dark Side and how Maris made the Shamans fall to the Dark Side. Nothing of the planet's alliance shifting by powerful Force users is mentioned.
2. Shaak was there longer, but why would that matter? If Shaak is indeed considerably, even if noticeably, below Galen, should Galen's Force signature not overwrite her own? Should the superior Force user not change the planet's flow? Keep in mind, I don't agree with this, I'm simply saying what your "logic" dictates.
Um, again that was a lucky Force Push on Galen's part that took advantage of a momentary opening on Shaak Ti's and nothing else. Even Marek notes he got lucky in the novel:
And here's a quote saying that Galen was the desperate one in the fight:
So, again, luck, a game of chance, PIS, whatever you wish to call it: Galen didn't win by merit of power or skill.
I can ask you to use common sense about how Maris converting a bunch of Shamans can change the entire flow of the planet just by her mere presence, because that doesn't make sense. The difference between our two statements is that mine actually has a direct quote supporting it, yours does not. And it would make sense for Shaak to worry about Maris' fall, what would happen if she dies, how the Shamans and Brood would survive/not succumb to the Dark Side, etc.
Novel notes Galen was desparate and lucky, yet you can't accept it...
Ahsoka didn't push Vader off his feet, or nearly as far, and what cliff, lol?
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There was a cliff next to them, but as the second and third panel show, Marek and Shaak were on relatively even footing.
If by piss him off you mean make Marek scream in pain and barely get up later and have his clothes completely tattered and his head bleed, then yes. Sure it made him angry, but it also clearly injured him.
Honestly, I'd go for the novel, but either way you spin it: Galen was in a desparate situation and won via either luck or via cheapshot and prior to that it was Ti who was winning.
Oh, so the cheap potshots you've been taking at me on CV and KMC are not to spite me? If you say so...
I said you admitted you trolled, not that you admitted you use weak excuses to get out of debating. But you do that a lot, if I'm being honest.
"Native to the Force-rich world of Felucia, the Felucian shamans are among the most talented natural Force-users in the galaxy. The world of Felucia is tied intimately to the Living Force, and as such the world's flora and fauna, including the Felucians themselves, can be influenced by the presence of strong agents of the Force, both light and dark. The members of the shaman caste of Felucia, aware of this potential danger, always ensure that any of their brethren who fall to the dark side are immediately executed in the Ancient Abyss-the resting place of one of the largest Sarlaccs in the galaxy. The shamans fear, and rightly so, that allowing a powerful agent of the dark side to live on their world will corrupt not only their fellow Felucians but the planet itself. The Felucian shamans study the ways of the Force and use it to protect their people from the dangers native to the fungal world. These shamans learn to manipulate the Force blast power that is second nature to all their people, using it to much greater effect. Additionally, most Felucian shamans study the healing arts and are exceptionally good at treating the various injuries and maladies that are common on such a wild, untamed world. Felucian shamans draw upon the power of the world around them for strength, and they train their fellow shamans to stay away from the dark side lest it corrupt the entire planet. Those few Felucians who show both interest and exceptional aptitude in the Force are usually trained in the ways of shamanism whether they want to be or not. The shamans of Felucia cannot risk a potentially powerful force user growing up among them without receiving the training needed to avoid the lure of the dark side. These shamans are extremely careful about who they share their secrets with, and only a small handful of Force-users from other worlds have ever been trained by the Felucian shamans." - The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide.
"The natives of the planet Felucia are constantly faced with the ever-shifting balance of the Force on their home planet. Unlike many other primitive cultures, the Felucians are not organized into many tribes, but instead are all members of one tribe that spans the entire planet. As such, the same social hierarchy exists in every Felucian village. The Empire, and the Gossams who settled on Felucia, both failed to recognize this fact, instead treating each village or pocket of civilization as its own tribe or territory. As such, conflicts between the Felucians and the invaders usually escalated as a result of the outsiders' attempts to isolate Felucian settlements from one another. Among the Felucians, shamans are spiritual leaders and instructors in the ways of the Force. Each Felucian shaman learns to manipulate his or her own natural abilities with the Force and can wield Force powers with greater skill than any other Felucian. These shamans are closely in tune with the flow of the Force throughout Felucia and are constantly on watch for other Felucians who are flirting with the dark side. Despite their vigilance, the Felucians sometimes lose a shaman to the dark side, which causes the community to hunt down the dark shaman and feed him to the Sarlacc." - The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide.
"The last Padawan of Jedi Master Shaak Ti, Maris Brood fled to Felucia after serving the Republic during the later years of the Clone Wars and escaping the execution of Order 66. During her time on Felucia-while her Master focused on training the native shamans in the ways of the Force-Brood wandered off on her own, testing her skills against the planet's hostile wildlife and exploring the Force along her own course. After Vader's minion defeats Shaak Ti, Brood is left on her own with the Force-sensitive natives and the harsh Felucian wilderness. Fueled by her anger at Shaak Ti for abandoning her, horror at the carnage of her Master's death, and isolation on the dangerous planet of Felucia, Brood descends toward the dark side. She continues training the shamans in the Jedi arts but, colored by her rage, corrupts many of them into turning to the dark side. Brood establishes herself as the leader of the dark Felucian shamans and trains many rancors to do her bidding. Her most dangerous ally is the bull rancor, which she uses to fend off any intruders into her domain." - The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide.
None of the passages even mention Shaak Ti. Shaak Ti states that the Sarlacc pit has been a place of sacrifice since time immemorial because the Felucians have always been weeding out darksiders from the native population wary of one of them turning to the Dark Side and corrupting the planet. The Felucians that do turn to the Dark Side as I mentioned above are executed as is mentioned in the quotes.
That... doesn't change anything. I've given you quotes from the primary source itself that state it was Shaak's death that re-introduced the Dark Side to the planet. With that, the Shamans fell to the Dark Side, since they're in-tune with the Force's flow of the planet, and Maris just sped up the process.
And the whole "influenced by strong Force agents" aids my Ti case because Marek failed to influence or break it's hold. So my case remains unchanged, you just confirmed Ti's superiority over Felucia Galen, and on top of that I found out she was partially distracted during his fight with him and he was desparate and got lucky. So thanks for helping me hype Shaak even more
With what? What are you talking about? I'm going to rewrite the response and then respond to whatever little tidbit of sh!t you left lying below it for me.
No need, just note that you have failed and that you helped me. This is my last post on this thread (maybe), so enjoy responding to thin-air after aiding me significantly in Shaak wanking
Jun 30th, 2016 02:58 PM
