No it doesn't. CANON points to the fact that they re even in all showings. There are JUST as many instances.
1. Journey into mystery 112 Hulk fights Thor who has had the enchantments of Mjilnor removed (he asked Odin to do so to face Hulk purely H2H) and all we got was a cavern collapse separating them for a while.
2. Avengers 3, Hulk and Namor DOUBLE team Thor and together can only match him. Hulk even comments that Namor is "a fool if he thinks he can take on Thor solo".
3.Submariner 35 another battle between the 2 with no out come. Hulk almost manages to separate Mjinor form Thor long enough to turn him back into Donald Drake but doesn't.
4. Defenders 10, they each grapple each other with neither able to even move the other for 90 minutes.
5.Hulk 255, 285 ,300 and 440 four fights in Hulk's own book where he doesn't manage to beat Thor.
6.Thor 385, 489 are two Thor titles that have no clear winner.
7. Fact Hulk's 2001 Annual is the first title in print where we see a clear win in a fight between these two. Ironically wee see a clear win for each of them. Thor takes the battle to another dimension where Hulk crushes him under rubble (seemed as I recall to KO Thor). The battle is rejoined after Thor revives and they go at it again, during which Thor calls down a lightning bolt to strike Hulk from behind and KO him.
8. In Hulk let the battle begin we again see Hulk win ( He grabs Thor's Mjilnor wielding hand and clobbers him with his own enchanted hammer). Thor wins again in fear itself (already mentioned by others).
Yet we hear this repeated garbage that canon has Hulk above Thor. HOW and WHEN. Stadard HUlk ( not World Breaker, or World War) against Standard Thor ( no Odin Force of warrior's madness)
Wasn't intended to bait. I wanted to address the misrepresentations in the "speed Thread". It was locked and badabing made it clear there were enough thor Superman Threads so as the misrepresentations were in relation to Thor and Hulk figured this would be a reasonable way to discuss it.
Obviously though it's gone over the edge, so maybe badabing could lock it now. Clearly you can't reasonably discuss Thor vs any herald level brick without a LOT of vitriol.
It always ends up with someone putting an undue amount of focus on Thor looking worse after a pure H2H fight and ignoring the fact that he didn't even have his hammer.
5-10 years ago everybody seemed to more or less agree that the Hulk could never win if Thor used any of his powers.
With the influx of newer members and the departure of old more sensible posters it has turned into a fight that "Thor always loses".
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1. - Thor ends up looking better
2.- thor ends up looking better
3.- hulk ends up looking better
4.- stalemate
5.- hulk clearly ends up looking better on all this comics iirc. And while not winning he ends up looking superior. In Hulk 440 is Hulk the one trying to reason with Thor, hulk 300 thor even uses lightning and accomplishes nothing, hulk 255 come on, hulk ends up looking superior, luckily for thor he ends up reverting into human form Hulk had the edge on this fight. Hulk 285 must be the dream sequence and I don't count dreams as canon so no fight in there.
6.- thor 385 hulk dominates thor who is fighting with no hammer edge goes to hulk, thor 489 thor had the advantage
7.- Annual 2001 hulk Ko or immobilize thor at least two times, thor won once
8.- LTBB clear win for the hulk, fear it self goes to Thor
Overall Hulk ends up looking superior on canon comics and I have been accused on kmc as a Hulk hater
Final score if I am counting correctly
Looking better or winning
Hulk 8
Thor 5
This is why I say that Thor without Mjolnir is no match for the Hulk
IMO anyway, you can agree or disagree with it. But that's my opinion and belive me I have no horse on this race and I used to believe that Thor should win until I decided to analyze their fights and hear other points of view.
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Then your whole basis is flawed. You are leaning heavily on their matches that involve no Mjolnir. This fight is full power Thor and not diminished in anyway.
Also Defenders 35 and Hulk 255 were stalemates. It's puzzling to me why you think Hulk came out better.
They also had a short fight in The Savage Hulk one shot. A clear stalemate. Thor was using Mjolnir albeit not really intending to hurt Hulk.
And just for reference, Thor briefly dominated 2 alternate timeline Hulks in Avengers Season One. Gravage and Savage Hulks. Just sayin..
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And his collateral damage with Betty in the dark dimension was way, way, WAY better than Thor's more gradual collateral damage against Gorr.
Hulk is orders of magnitude stronger than Thor at his best. It's really not even close.
By feats, he is a lot faster on his feet than Thor as well, mostly due to the feats Mark Waid gave him.
If we are using them at their absolute best, with a .5 km starting distance....Hulk wins.
Thunderclap is quicker to do than anything Thor can pull off. Thor will be off balance and hurt before he can pull off a single lightning bolt. And then Hulk easily covers the distance gap and stays on Thor like white on rice.
There's not going to be any time or distance for Thor to try to pull off his slow soul drain that barely even has any appearances.
No guarantee it would even work. Hulk has no-sold esoteric stuff all the time and IIRC has at least a couple of soul defense feats as well.
Hulk is Thor's better. That is what Marvel thinks in pretty much every medium.
Hulk isn't world breaker here, so that doesn't really matter.
Sure it's close. It's been close in just about every encounter.
Hulk is stronger, but far from "orders of magnitude".
A few running feats from Hulk?
Thor's just as fast only he flies. He hasn't run in 30 years so I don't see how that would come up in a fight...
We're not using them at their "absolute best". They're fighting to the best of their ability. Are you new?
Thunderclap is not enough to hurt Thor.
Thor is faster and has better range/accuracy on his attacks.
Thor doesn't need soul drain, which would instantly kill the Hulk, because he has overwhelming power.
Not even close.
Thor fights foes out of the Hulk's league, can call upon far greater amounts of power and is far more versatile.
The only chance the Hulk has is if they fight hand to hand, which they won't. Thor is fighting to the best of his ability and can kill the Hulk with any number of energy blasts, lightning bolts, or absorptions/whatever.
The only Herald I question when it comes to battling Hulk is Superman. Hulk is to Marvel what DC is to Superman. Superman and his fans are my threat when it comes to my character. Thor, I can't see it. Thor, I can't see him pulling this off. No knock against him, but, he is no Hulk. Hulk is the most powerful being on the planet with Thor following him. With that said, someone bump the Superman vs Hulk thread so that we can get this debating started (Hulk still wins).
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