But he doesn't necessarily have feats to put him on that level, nor the hype.
And this negates the fact that X2 was taking them out by the handful casually, with little effort, 1-3 at the same time, and I think you fight 8-10 of them, and kill all of them by yourself.
Grievous' personal guards that are inconsistent due to only some of them being so well trained they can challenge top tiers, but most are on par with Jedi Knights.
He actually does have the hype. And absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence, logic simply points to Finn being incredibly talented as a melee combatant.
With the aid of Windu, who could stomp three standard MagnaGuards with alacrity.
And Kylo's ability to murk Finn, under those circumstances, lead me to believe he's capable of at least taking on two MGs.
That's a flipping game mechanic. You don't take those as canon, ayy LMAO. Mace is both skilled and powerful enough to casually dipsatch several MagnaGuards without much strain, in fact he has already in Obsession 5 while focusing on Tyranus.
Windu would probably also praise Kylo's skill, tbh.
Its not a game mechanic, its what the game goes by, those enemies are dispatched in JUST that area.
Windu would beat Kylo with a single stroke if he was serious.
All you are showing me is that X2 as a clone would take Finn, as well as Kylo Ren.
Don't try to argue game mechanics when there are scripted, canon events that take place.
The Magnaguards won't spawn, and you don't get to fight them till you're right outside Grievous door.
Its scripted, btw, Mace Windu fights Grievous only during that fight, and doesn't deviate from fighting him to help you, at all, and the same thing will happen in every playthrough no matter what you do.
You've provided no evidence for Finn's superiority over a Padawan btw, besides your argument that he was trained to fight like a Jedi, which doesn't automatically mean he fights like a Jedi.
Yeah, that's a game mechanic. It's scripted that he and Mace fought MagnaGuards and Grievous, but that doesn't mean Mace kills one and then you kill 10
So beating Finn means beating Kylo Ren? LOL, that's just ridiculous.
So your argument is:"Finn is trained to fight like a Jedi, but that doesn't mean he fights like a Jedi!" despite the fact that this is exactly what it means? So that means a padawan can take Finn, who's casually stomping Elite supersoldiers trained from birth with rigorous, Jedi-esque training, in-depth historical knowledge on all of the battles during the Clone Wars, and several combat simulations per day?
This isn't even mentioning Finn holding back or being tired in most of his fights with said FO troopers, and how he still stomped one of them in 3 seconds, and two of them in under a minute, then went on to face several Elites and best them quickly.
In a continuity where a standard Mandalorian assassin can give Obi-Wan Kenobi grief, it's hard to believe one of the absolute top supersoldiers of an Order trained from birth, and at one point in ways to combat Jedi, wouldn't beat a padawan, a Knight or a MagnaGuard?
Obi-Wan was beating the shit out of Pre-Viszla, who was the best Mandalorian.
You think Kylo Ren could take Boba Fett or Jango Fett??? Really? You think Finn would last anywhere near that?
Mmkay, what happens is, canonically, you see Mace kill 1 Magnaguard, then you fight the rest.
If Mace doesn't deviate from his fight with Grievous, it means YOU are the one killing the magnaguards. It does not let Mace help you once you get into the room with Grievous. Which means its scripted, what, are you gonna argue Revan pulling Meteors down is a game mechanic, or when he TK's the entire group?
You need to know distinctions between the two.
Yes, Zett Jukassa was doing just fine against a few of them before he got shot down, X2 soloed hundreds of them single-handedly, the stormtroopers are
nothing special, the Royal Guards are all better then them.
Also, the inconsistencies don't override the fact that the Magnaguards are above any stormtrooper.
"Well, you're saying all this about Finn, but X2 was a clone too, right?"
He was a clone of a Force Sensitive Jedi, and all the other clones were of Jango Fett.
If by beating the shit into him, you mean trading physical exchanges then sure. And he's hardly the best Mandalorian.
I believe Kylo would beat them, and Finn can hang with them a bit, yes.
So because one video has Mace cutting down a single MagnaGuard during gameplay, that means he automatically cut down a single MagnaGuard? I'm all for scripted parts, but this isn't a scripted part and you have no proof of that other than seeing Mace slice down just one in one instance of gameplay.
In fact, it wouldn't make sense for him to kill one and then leave the rest to X2, he would've either killed none or killed quite a few. Grievous, by himself, also isn't enough to really distract Mace completely and risk him losing a fine Clone and potential Jedi.
I'll say it again: This isn't your Imperial Stormtrooper or Republic Clone Trooper. This is the First Order Stormtrooper that shits on the former two.
Do you not comprehend there is a difference between fodder trained to shoot down droids, and supersoldiers trained from birth and taught in melee arts with training inspired by the Jedi Order? Is that so far outside your mental capacity?
Your entire argument relies on comparing Imperials and Republic Clones to FO Stormtroopers, which have totally different training and combative capabilities.
And Kylo could fight off and kill a Jedi Maser, probably.
Its a cutscene, where Mace kills one single Magnaguard, then you go into the room Grievous is in, and you Mace starts fighting Grievous, while you start fighting the Magnaguards.
Boba and Jango have superior feats, even in canon, and if we use them in Legends, either one of them stomls, effortlessly.
You overrate these virtuly featless characters like they're better then they were portrayed, they aren't.
You're trying to make Kylo Ren out as someone who can take on Jedi Masters, ans Finn who can take on Magnaguards and Padawans, when that just isn't the case.
Boba was a legitimate threat to Legends Luke and Kyle Katarn, where Kyle says he barely got away with his life.
A lot of those are accolades, and his showings don't really mirror that.
Kylo got tagged by a stormtrooper, and I did see his respect thread, which, while impressive for a stormtrooper, had nothing that suggest he would even register against Rex, and it said nothing about Jedi-esque training.
Once Rey got serious, she made Ren her *****, and it was her first time ever using a lightsaber, OR the force, in combat.
Just... What even? Everyone in the other thread was saying the same ****ing thing, lol.
K, and Boba would beat Finn, and possibly Kylo. Your point?
Canonical statements > taking feats at face-value
I forgot to add that, though I didn't edit that RT in ages. And it registers to Rex to the point of surpassing him, lol.
Let's just ignore how Rey was in a One-With-The-Force moment, and Kylo was prior to that, despite holding back and being emotionally/physically crippled, wrecking her.
Yes, it was. She was getting wrecked by him before, then closes her eyes, we hear the theme music and she says "The Force" and proceeds to start wrecking, despite prior to that getting wrecked.
The novelisation also notes this, IIRC.
And statements come from the creators/narrators/Gods of the universe. They have far, far more authority than you just watching a movie then proceeding to type a factually incorrect argument on the internet.