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Finn vs Any Jedi (Sabers only)
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Zenwolf
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Tbh I find the Clones really overrated. They're good, but they aren't greater than every other army in SW.


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Yes.



Based on what would they be physically superior to Finn? That's your arbitrary opinion, and is ultimately conjecture. Finn was taught in the Jedi-esque arts, and participated in grueling war simulations several times a day. The FO troopers were trained much, much more brutally than the Republic clones and would thus be more durable, stronger and faster.



They don't have a Jedi's augmentation or precognition, true... But that's why their training should, logically(you do know that word, right? Logic isn't a foreign concept to your cognition, I assume) be much more brutal and harder than the training of Stormtroopers or Clone Troopers, since they're trained in similar ways to Jedi, go through rigorous combat simulations daily, and are in an Order where the weak die and strong survive, who's training isn't overseen by a calm, compassionate Jedi, but by a blood thirsty Dark Sider and his commanders.
No.

Based on their outright superior genetics. It being a more brutal training regimen doesn't equal automatic superiority, especially when the genetics are superior.

They were trained by what translated to Jedi training, but again, they can't replicate it, so its almost pointless.

I'm curious as to what you mean by Jedi-esque, are they learning saber forms or some shit? erm

A sith training First Order stoemtroopers in the ways of the Jedi, the Jedi who by that point in time were considered a myth.

The Royal Guards of Palpatine would make Finn their *****. You think First Order training is rigorous?


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No.

Based on their outright superior genetics. It being a more brutal training regimen doesn't equal automatic superiority, especially when the genetics are superior.


Superior genetics based on what? Few Clones actually live up that "superior genetics.

And yeah, surviving and succeeding in much more brutal training and battles would lead one to become a superior fighter. Like I said, I hope logic isn't a foreign concept to you.

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They were trained by what translated to Jedi training, but again, they can't replicate it, so its almost pointless.

I'm curious as to what you mean by Jedi-esque, are they learning saber forms or some shit? erm


Jedi-esque as in probably trial of the flesh, spirit, courage, and things of that nature. As well as learning melee combat, and going through training sessions to be built to physical perfection. Much like a Jedi.

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A sith training First Order stoemtroopers in the ways of the Jedi, the Jedi who by that point in time were considered a myth.


The Dark Sider in question lived during the Clone Wars and saw the Empire "rise and fall", he's more than aware of what the Jedi are capable of, plus his apprentice was a Jedi, who in turn has fought and killed dozens of Jedi.

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The Royal Guards of Palpatine would make Finn their *****.


Palpatine's Royal Guard are Force sensitive and capable of beating MagnaGuards, so they'd beat Finn, sure.

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You think First Order training is rigorous?


Yes, it's stated that way and by all means it's presented that way.


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Not sure what you hoped to achieve with that.


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Not sure what you hoped to achieve with that.
More posts?

We can't argue in both threads about the same thing.


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Nah. He'd loose to just about anyone, tbh.


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Nah. He'd loose to just about anyone, tbh.


What about Zett Jukassa? (The Padawan near the end of ROTS who was blocking blaster bolts and trying to protect Bail Organa.)


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That kid was pretty ****ing beastly for his age.

Didn't he kill a couple of clones before he went down?


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That kid was pretty ****ing beastly for his age.

Didn't he kill a couple of clones before he went down?
Yup.


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Was only 10 yrs old too.


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Was only 10 yrs old too.


10 year old Padawan destroys Finn. XD


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It's believable that Boba Fett can kill several jedi with his bare hands, but not that Finn can take on the average, random Padawan? Never change, KMC.

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It's also believable that a single assassin can give Kenobi grief in TCW, but not that the absolute best of an Order of supersoldiers trained to fight Jedi can't beat a Jedi.

Sorta how logic works around these parts.


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It's believable that Boba Fett can kill several jedi with his bare hands, but not that Finn can take on the average, random Padawan? Never change, KMC.
Because Finn is the best of the First Order Stormtroopers, who REALISTICALLY, should only be worth about 5 stormtroopers, maybe.


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It's also believable that a single assassin can give Kenobi grief in TCW, but not that the absolute best of an Order of supersoldiers trained to fight Jedi can't beat a Jedi.

Sorta how logic works around these parts.


You mean Pre-Viszla? The best Mandalorian living at that time?

The one who got stalemated by TCW Ahsoka ****ing Tano, got beat by Maul and Kenobi, who were both just toying with him? (Which is confirmed)


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You mean Pre-Viszla? The best Mandalorian living at that time?

The one who got stalemated by TCW Ahsoka ****ing Tano, got beat by Maul and Kenobi, who were both just toying with him? (Which is confirmed)


No, not Pre Viszla. There's instances where a simple Mandalorian fought and gave pause to Kenobi, and where a flipping pirate, Hondo Onaka, held off Anakin Skywalker.

Canon is infamous for letting non-Force sensitives battle Force sensitives, and beings with far less accolades, less training, and less demonstrated skill have been threats to Jedi. Why Finn cannot is beyond me, lmao.

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Because Finn is the best of the First Order Stormtroopers, who REALISTICALLY, should only be worth about 5 stormtroopers, maybe.


Actually, he was worth more. He stomped a lot more than that during training sessions, without getting pause in-between fights, and those Troopers are trained far better in terms of melee combat than your regular Clone/Storm Troopers.

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Because Finn is the best of the First Order Stormtroopers, who REALISTICALLY, should only be worth about 5 stormtroopers, maybe.

Kyle Katarn was a Stormtrooper. erm

No one cares about realism. This is fantasy.

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It's believable that Boba Fett can kill several jedi with his bare hands, but not that Finn can take on the average, random Padawan? Never change, KMC.

Talk about shitty false equivalent.

Finn is no Boba Fett, not even close, so this entire post is cancer


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Talk about shitty false equivalent.

Finn is no Boba Fett, not even close, so this entire post is cancer
He's worth more then 20 Imperial Stormtroopers though.


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