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AOTC Anakin vs Kit Fisto
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Zenwolf
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Edit: Sel got it.


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It simply appears that any form designed for dueling can pick apart Form I. Sucks for Fisto.


Not entirely surprising tbh.


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Originally posted by Selenial
It says Form I was never designed for dueling, and Form II was developed solely for Lightsaber dueling and was adopted during periods of war between blade wielding factions.

It makes no mention of the comparison between them, but like I said, the Fightsaber article contradicts other sources in the same vein. For example, the whole precise movements to counter the broad strokes and gaps in defences is attributed in other sources to Soresu, not Makashi.

It simply appears that any form designed for dueling can pick apart Form I. Sucks for Fisto.


Can I get the quote you're referring to for context? If nothing contradicts the fightsaber quote I see no reason to disregard it.

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What makes it non canon in Legends continuity?


Well surely the burden of proof is on you to prove its canonical roots. If I was to present you with a home-made, albeit nicely illustrated comic of Darth Vader, create a Wookiepedia article regarding the publication and tell everyone that it was in fact, a canon-source... does that make it so? And that's the problem I'm seeing here. Star Wars Insider is not a canon source because it never was a canon source. It is a fan-made creation that sometimes draw from the perosnal views of various authors. Their opinions, however, are not part of any official work.

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The reality is that Fisto is at a disadvantage in most duels, so I imagine most of his wins come from his natural, Force assisted, talent. He's not close to Anakin in this regard however.
I doubt that, even when deliberately holding back his Force augmentative strength along with a host of other self-imposed disadvantages, AotC Kenobi was unable to break through his defence, and pronounced him "the better swordfighter, astonishingly aggressive and intuitive", and while the Djem So variant of Form V was designed specifically for lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat, Anakin has yet to master it, all he has is Shien.


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Logically, Fisto should probably win.


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And he will tbh, Anakin is good but he's not Council level yet.


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How big is Anakin's form advantage?


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He doesn't have one.


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Mm, just checking... People love to hate Shii-Cho


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Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Mm, just checking... People love to hate Shii-Cho


Just checking? You'll have to do more than ask Beni, for his personal opinion on the matter. If you haven't noticed by now, he's not particularly the type to think for himself, or the type to connecting various dots with evidence and come up with conclusions. It is true, there is not a big neon signal that literally states Djem so is the superior form. There is however, this :

"Because the ancient Jedi did not have lightsaber-wielding enemies, Form I does not address the lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat."
―Cin Drallig

"Form V's Djem So variation is devoted specifically to lightsaber dueling."
―Cin Drallig

I'm sure one can make conclusions from what this might implicate. It's not that hard.

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AotC Anakin does not wield Djem So dear, that appears to be the dot you are missing.


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You have Ventress above Fisto?


Yes.

She has defeated him in a duel after all.

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AOTC Fisto was better than AOTC Kenobi, so assuming Fisto improved throughout the wars, he should be beyond AOTC Anakin.


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Originally posted by Beniboybling
AotC Anakin does not wield Djem So dear, that appears to be the dot you are missing.


I'm afraid that Star Wars continuity according to Beniboybling, is not the correct answer.... he does.

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AOTC Fisto was better than AOTC Kenobi, so assuming Fisto improved throughout the wars, he should be beyond AOTC Anakin.


Always knew you weren't a true member of the movement. Just so you know, I'm going off the rather radical pretense that Obi Wan and Anakin are not the same person.


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Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Well surely the burden of proof is on you to prove its canonical roots. If I was to present you with a home-made, albeit nicely illustrated comic of Darth Vader, create a Wookiepedia article regarding the publication and tell everyone that it was in fact, a canon-source... does that make it so? And that's the problem I'm seeing here. Star Wars Insider is not a canon source because it never was a canon source. It is a fan-made creation that sometimes draw from the perosnal views of various authors. Their opinions, however, are not part of any official work.


So you're saying Fightsaber was never a canon source or officialized by anybody with authority in this area?

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So you're saying Fightsaber was never a canon source or officialized by anybody with authority in this area?


I think I made that pretty clear.

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I was unaware.

Can anyone confirm this for me?

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News to me about the Insiders being non-canon even in Legends, where's the source for this?


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Originally posted by Ziggystardust
I'm afraid that Star Wars continuity according to Beniboybling, is not the correct answer.... he does.
It's stated that he hadn't in the RotS novelisation, but please, enlighten me with your sources. erm


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