Which is the problem as there is so much material to go by there is no consistency to be found anywhere.
I wasn't quoting a ruling. I was saying we can't rely on showings over other characters because they routinely make no sense. So, we need something else to back them up.
That's the case as already noted before. In order for Batman to do things he did in those fights? He needs to be that fast, and strong.
Pure skill does not substitute that.
That, or the characters he is fighting have to be acting as if they are complete idiots and not use their powers.
No, I provided several instances where Iron Fist does something of a similar scale. When his Iron Fist caused collateral damage akin to a hydrogen bomb for example. In Deadly Hands of Kung Fu.
Yes, we do. You can't honestly use those instances. You know it, and I know it. Otherwise, you're just using them to draw out the argument.
Okay, explain how skill makes up the difference in speed and strength. In a way that doesn't make the scene come off as PIS or CIS.
It doesn't make sense period even when you place it in line with what Batman is capable of outside of his showings over other characters.
Neither do you. You're trying to say this is something it isn't.
So, you're fine with Batman being capable of anything and being omnipotent?
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yeah, cuz superman and wonder woman are never been hurt by less than planet-busting shots... have you even READ a comic book? and prove green lantern light was moving at c?? . reasonable request.
the part you seem to fail to grasp--repeatedly--is that the way YOU see things is NOT the way WE ALL need to. you seem to have a problem with the forum rules. but if you don't like it, no one is keeping you here. since the forum dictates the way we debate, and even has specific rules for those showings that are severe cases of pis, well, how you THINK things should be done doesn't matter.
retarded. IN YOUR OPINION! you keep leaving that part out. and if dc comics, the owner of said character, wants him to be someone capable of doing seemingly impossible things, over and over again, then that is precisely how he needs to be debated. or you're not debating the character, and you're simply debating the character the way YOU feel it should be portrayed. which, again, is ludicrously arrogant. always a good idea to take some random forum posters' view of a character over the company's view. very sound logic and not retarded at all.
you seem to think i'm (and others are) somehow answerable to you. again, i don't have to show you ANYTHING. his fights speak for themselves. i also showed you a slew of stealth-related feats. here, agility, strength, durability, pain tolerance, combat speed, speed:
there you go. and that's not even the best respect thread for bats. all in under a minute and chock full of dozens of feats performed outside of battles.
well, now you have plenty. knock yourself out. more are just a google search away.
i understand you attempting to move the forum goalposts, because if we debate per the rules of the forum, you don't like the result. i firmly understand that.
there you go. about 40 years worth of feats for ya.
in the worlds of the dcu, obviously. you know, the only world that matters....
done and done. at this point i'm reasonably certain you're trolling but keep b!tching about the rules and trying to tell people what does and doesn't constitute proof in a debate, and, well, you could find yourself in sh!t. again.....
It's not hyperbole, and it specifically caused a bunch of collateral damage in the surrounding area.
You can, but it's dishonest. Which is what I have been saying. Yet, you're apparently fine with that.
I ain't Jon Snow. I'm more along the lines of Sandor Clegane.
It is about explaining it because we are debating it in a versus context. Which requires objectivity on our parts.
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It doesn't matter if it bothers me or not. I enjoy comic books despite their many, many flaws. So long as the story is half decent.
You claimed Batman managed his victories in those ridiculous fights with pure skill. Which is false because what happened in those fights has nothing to do with skill, and skill does not work that way.
That, or it's PIS or CIS.
So, you're allowing something as nonsensical as that simply because of a personal bias you have against Iron Fist now? That's the opposite of objective.
It's comic books after all, and nothing makes sense in them. So, why should Green Lantern's energy blasts always be lightspeed when they are repeatably demonstrated to act very differently from light?
No, I understand that and here is the thing:
You are failing to convince me. You are failing to address my points, and you are failing to address my questions.
Despite the fact companies do not care about these things, and only care about money. As for the writers themselves they don't universally agree on anything, and often times contradicted by the stories themselves.
It is against board rules to use databooks, and author statements in lieu of what happens in stories.
I am not going to dig through a bunch of respect threads. Point out the specific feats that match up Daniel Rand's.
Yes, and do any of those feats show Batman moving faster than light and punching planets to death?
As if they don't compare to Daniel Rand's he is not winning here, and neither are his allies.
It's not my job to dig through a bunch of respect threads. It's yours as you are the one debating for Batman here.
Straw man.
That's not what I am doing. What goal posts does this forum even have? I have been debating using basic reasoning. That's all.
What I do know is that databooks, and author statements outside of stories are useless.
It's not my job to dig through them. Now find which ones are relevant, and bring them to bare.
Which has no internal consistency, is written by countless different writers with varying knowledge and opinions, and where no one agrees on anything.
No, and no.
You just provided a bunch of links and didn't specify at all. You just threw a bunch of garbage at me, and said "it's probably in there somewhere now look for it."
When that's not my job.
I am not trolling.
Maybe abhilegend is but that's par for the course, and from what I have seen many "debaters" here act as troglodytes do.
Is that so, and can you prove that the collateral damage Daniel Rand did there wasn't that significant?
Particularly, when it completely disintegrated a giant monster as well. Which would yield hilarious results if you calculated it.
Comic books have no inherent nature. They are entirely inconsistent with themselves.
Oh, that's rich coming from you.
Apparently only I do.
Yes, I can if you don't support it with evidence that is not fishy.
So, you're going to plug your ears and refuse to be reasoned with?
So, you don't care about debate then. Just what others dictate as truth?
Yes, I do.
Why do you think I own the Luther Strode trilogy and all those Superboy issues?
Karate Kid's "pure skill" doesn't make sense either. He exhibits obviously superhuman abilities that you can't honestly attribute to "pure skil" either.
I would argue he is superhuman too.
No, it's not what I am making him out to be. It's what he is.
Hey Darksaint, I'm about 8 beers in, so keep that in mind, but.
I know you guy are ****ing with him because he's kind of an ass. I "think" he means well, so don't go screwing with him too much.
We've all been there. At least he's not arguing out of good faith like Abhi would, you know?
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' **** Lord Rand anyways. ******* doesn't know how to relax.
God damn, I'm a lightweight...
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yeah, cuz superman and wonder woman are never been hurt by less than planet-busting shots... have you even READ a comic book? and prove green lantern light was moving at c?? 
. reasonable request. 
