Didn't say that it did, and I specified my opinion on that here:
As the drunken style could simply be countered by someone who actually sees the future rather than predicting it based on what the person is thinking or doing.
Which is the problem because Midnighter is dealing someone whose fighting style is already so unpredictable that people that can literally read his mind can't predict what he would do. That, and I am pretty sure Midnighter's battle computer never thought of creating defenses against hardcore kickboxing cardio. Billy Blanks saves the day once again.
Maybe if Danny is nice enough he will teach Midnighter how to use Tae Bo as a deadly weapon.
This is the same guy who can charge and utilize his most powerful technique in the span of 0.05 seconds, and when not using it he is much faster than that.
This before Danny even gets Orson Randall's chi or starts learning from the Book of the Iron Fist.
Which is why I was asking you or waiting for someone else. Maybe once I finish reading it but otherwise not at the moment.
Besides what RealitryWarper said, and considering that maybe I should be more suspicious of it.
Fair enough (with regards to the suspicion). I won't take it personally.
My point wasn't to do with the timing. My point was, I guess, that Midnighter would be forcing Danny to be on the defensive most of the time, or at least, reactive.
Imagine it like this. I want you to say the word 'medal' (the preferred outcome). So I ask you to complete this sentence (you have to answer truthfully): Hey, Sharivan, what word begins with M, you have three of them at the Olympics - gold/silver/bronze, and they are given out to winners, sounds like 'metal'? This is me setting things up for my outcome, which my brain has told me is the best scenario to get you to say 'medal'.
Now, because of the circumstances that I set up, you HAVE to say medal. Or just refuse to say it (i.e. forfeit).
That's what I mean by the chance to use it. I want you to say medal, I have decided on a course that leads to you saying it, and you have to go along with it. You can't say 'whale', or 'chair', or try saying random words...because that means you have answered the question incorrectly.
That explanation doesn't matter to THIS debate, however.
The Doctor wanted to turn them into pixie dust - and Jenny helped him to do so.
However, like you said, to do so would trigger explosions. Hence, the Carrier to BFR them into the desert where they can explode harmlessly.
SO all the Carrier did, was door them. Something that I am saying Midnighter can also do. Your explanation in the thread said nothing about them being different doors, or that Jenny/Habib modded them in any way.
You added things that weren't said or weren't seen.
Speculation that you did not support with any evidence. This is your subjective opinion right now. I am still waiting for that evidence by the way but I doubt you will provide it.
No, I didn't. You made up the fact the civilians moved in that time-frame and are ignoring that if he absorbed the brunt of it there wouldn't be that much collateral damage to begin with. That's the whole point of absorption.
I did not type that.
That was part of your post that somehow got caught into my reply. You do remember what you said here?
I suppose that it was a typographical error, and I missed that as I was busy replying to DarkSaint at the time.
Good job trying to play that up as something that it wasn't though.
Yet another straw man as egregious as the one you made prior to this.
Nope, that's the difference that I was pointing out there that you're ignoring once again.
Nice try though
Well, I don't care about your head canon. It seems we're at an impasse.
1) No limit fallacy.
2) Ignoring that prediction does not equal speed.
3) Once again dismissing everything else.
I am not surprised. This seems to be your bread and butter.
Not rarely it happened a few days ago to some of my friends simply for disagreeing on something.
No, you're the one using a head canon version of Iron Fist right now. You're ignoring context, and you're adding context not supported by evidence.
The definition comicvine has of trolling is not trolling.
Oh, I will as you have failed to bring up any counter evidence.
As they are deserving of ridicule. They are idiots you can't really argue otherwise. They make some good stories but also make some idiotic mistakes. It's called being a human being.
Tom Brevoort is to Marvel in the same sense that Celine Dion is to music. A grand tragedy that should be buried and forgotten.
It ain't spam when it's relevant evidence that you're failing to counter.
I already took it apart in that other thread. Which you have yet to actually provide a counter argument for.
Most likely due to the Iron Fist's ability to absorb energy. As that would mean it wouldn't be as big as it should be anyway.
Nope, Midnighter really can't. As I already explained in triplicate.
You're going to ignore that though.
Yes, there is.
No, I did not. There was nothing I said that contradicted myself. I noted that someone with actual precognition instead of prediction or telepathy can do it.
No, but it has everything to do with prediction. Which the drunken fist counters even when the person doing the predicting can literally read your mind.
Nope, I didn't say it because Midnighter is fast enough to kick tank shells away. Which you're ignoring once again. As I already noted you're undermining Midnighter.
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Well, besides everything that's in it that you haven't provided counter evidence for. The fact you made a blatant straw man attempt using part of your post that got caught into mine because of a typographical error.
That I would have edited if I wasn't already busy replying to DarkSaint at the time.
Which brings back the possibility of the other Door you brought up. Which I dismissed because of what RealityWarper said. So, I retract my previous statement on that.
The thing is Danny is the one with the huge AOE, and he is able to charge his chi so quickly that it's probably Midnighter who would be on the defense here. As I already mentioned the charge for his chi is ridiculously short. That coupled with the speed advantage (probably), energy absorption, and the volatile effects it has inter-dimensional portals?
Yeah, RealityWarper has now clarified and showed that the Doc/Jenny never changed the nature of the doors, only the carrier's ability to open so many at once. Which is not applicable here, as he has only one target (or at least, 10 or so. Not 666).
It applies, because whilst IF DOES have the offensive advantage, he doesn't get to use it because of the way Midnighter sets the fight up.
Same way that you may have the advantage on me, with a larger vocabulary. You can say any word you like when I ask the question about the medals - but there is only ONE word that would answer me correctly. You can try saying 'chair', or 'table', or 'book' - but I have rigged the game to mean that answering the question means saying the word that I predicted you would say.
So yes, IF DOES have the ability for ghosts, healing, AoE punches, Drunken Fists, Tae Bo etc. Not saying he can't do it.
But the fight has been rigged, because Midnighter wants a certain outcome to happen. And has worked backwards from that outcome, to plan the entire fight out. The human body only has so many ways it can punch, so many ways it can kick, or headbutt, for example.
So, it's usable as was the initial argument you made?
As I already noted prediction only gets you so far. You need the actually strength and speed to back you up. There are a lot force users for example who can genuinely sense the future rather than predicting it but it still wouldn't be usable against people faster than they are.
This would have to work under the assumption that Midnighter is as fast, and is strong enough to actually hurt Iron Fist here.
The prior is necessary because as I noted prediction or precognition is useless if you're not fast enough to use it. In order for Midnighter to rig the fight in his favor he has to be able to act on his predictions, and then move to set out his plans.
That's the limitation of being able to predict the future or see the future. You yourself need to actually be fast and strong enough that there is scenario where you can actually rig the fight.
It's the same with practitioners of the Hercules Method from the Luther Strode trilogy. They can predict the future but there's only so much they can do. There's also the fact that in the case of prediction there are factors you can't accommodate.
Say for instance a sudden eruption of chi. As that's not some typical punch or kick.