I see it so, and based on the full scans that REality has posted, plus my own foggy memory, I am confident it can be.
Other can disagree, of course.
And Mids HAS used it against faster/stronger people. That's kinda his shtick.
Not quite true. I know, for example, that a sniper will shoot me precisely 20 seconds from now. I simply change my location, and come up behind him and knife him in the back.
Am I faster than a bullet? Hell no. Am I faster in combat speed than some Navy SEAL? Probably (definitely) not. But I knew what he was going to do, where he was going to be located, and could act accordingly.
Which is what Mids does. He has the happy ending he wants, and works backwards. What does he need to do to ensure it happens?
True. Which brings me to the next argument - his enhanced senses. And again, I refer back to the word game analogy. Sure, you COULD say all manner of random words at me. But you won't/can't, if you want to answer the question correctly (which is analogous to blocking a Midnighter punch, for example). I've gone through every single possible way, and every single possible word you could've said, and have settled on wording my question exactly so that it limits you to saying one.
That doesn't work though. If he has that means he is comparable in speed to them. It doesn't mean his battle computer can somehow find a way around this.
You need to actually act on it in time.
That still leaves you at a distinct disadvantage. As you need much more time in order to prepare for this beforehand. Against someone who is near you, and can move that much in far less than a second?
Which would require Midnighter to have some preparation here. You said they were how far apart again? I remember 0.5 kilometers. That would probably give Midnighter needs for a Door but as I said before. There's Danny's chi to consider, and if Danny closes the distance?
Well, Midnighter is in trouble because then he won't have that time.
He needs time. The distance can provide that but at close range he would be at a disadvantage. That's what I am saying here. It requires time with prediction and precognition.
It was, and you're just going to repeat the same dishonest rhetoric I imagine. Which is going to waste my time again. On top of probably breaking the board rules again.
So then, you're not even going to try?
Very well, if you're not going to bother there. I am not going to bother with you once you spew some thirty pages of keyboard vomit.
Nope, I asked if you were conceding or not because you didn't answer. Then you tried to say I said you did concede. Which I never claimed that you did.
As I already made clear earlier that was a straw man on your part. You know, kind of like when you tried to play off part of what you typed that got caught in my reply as my own words?
I don't particularly care because I am not bothering with that much keyboard vomit. Well, unless I get that bored.
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1) That's not what you said. I've said that I will not respond AGAIN to your asking (I've already did it) and you said that my concession was accepted.
Do you quit lying sometimes ?
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2) You believe that it's a straw man because you don't understand what a straw man is. Continue your trolling anyway it's not like you are the first doing that on the internet. It's always more complicated to be positive than drowning in all that negativism. LOL
3) Do you mean with your keyboard vomit ? So far you failed to recognize your own mistakes about your claims, even it has been pointed out that you was skipping the context you redefined your claims by making-up a new context.
LOL
It has been crazy to the point that you currently believe that Iron Fist has the power to absorb nukes, oh my god...
Can't speak for pre-52 Midnighter, but Zack posted a scan of DCnU Midnighter taking down a guy who was Flash-level in speed, and was actively trying to kill Mids. So was doing precisely that (unless you want to make a case for him being Flash-level, lol). But he was explicitly working round it with his computer.
Note the distance. How fast are these guys, though?
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He can be fast. IF there is a gap in speed between these two combatants (of course, debateable), it will be quite small, which can be exploited by the computer and doors.
As seen above, he completely and utterly blitzed (and not just with one punch, but completely decimated him) a guy who was matching Apollo in closing speed.
He has time, and can always door around. With his fight against Seth, he was porting all over the world. Against Apollo, he was using the doors midfight:
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'Sharivan, out of all the words in every language ever, what English word begins with 'M', ending with 'Edal', rhymes with 'Metal', and has five letters? They give three of these out to Olympic winners, and these are traditionally made of gold, silver or bronze. It has to be a real word as found in Webster's Dictionary.'
I predict you will say 'Medal'. If you want to answer my question. But if you don't answer, and answer correctly, I win.
You are free to answer with ANY word you wish, or any combination of letters/numbers, be as random as you want. Do whatever you want. Get drunk, and spell words drunkenly if you want.
Yet another straw man. I wasn't referring to that at all. I was talking about what we were talking about earlier.
As you can see I clearly asked you first.
So, you're taking something out of context and using it to rebuke me. When I never made that particular claim there.
I was referring to that exchange, and nothing else.
You believe it's not a straw man because you purposely misunderstood what I was referring to begin with and tried to rebuke that.
Which is a straw man.
I am not the one who openly admitted to trying to purposely misrepresent another person's argument, and doing so with pride. As if it's something that should win you a medal or something.
As seen here.
Now you're projecting your own failures onto me. When you are the one guilty of this behavior. You even openly admit to trying to sabotage my posts, and make them come off as if I was contradicting myself when I wasn't. It's pretty clear from what I can see.
As seen in Iron Fist's fight with Master Khan it's explicitly noted that what he was doing with Radion's attacks was the same as what he was doing Master Khan's spells.
Which doesn't make any sense because prediction is not going to help against someone who is faster than light. The only way this does make sense is if he has some fraction of this person's speed.
As I noted before prediction or precognition is not supposed to actually help with a gap of speed this humongous.
If Midnighter is actually fast enough to keep up with Iron Fist, yes. Which would be the case if you assume those fights were legitimate and not the writers being idiots. By not realizing the different correlation between prediction and movement.
So then, how fast is Apollo and what showings does Midnighter have to support this sort of speed outside of combat? What has he done that's not subject to the inconsistency of fights in comic books?
If Midnighter is actually as fast as Iron Fist, and if the former isn't wrecked by one of the latter's helicarrier destroying punches. This will help Midnighter in terms of defense, and in closing the distance between them but if the distance is closed the advantage is Iron Fist's due to superior statistics. As well as AOE, and chi disrupting inter-dimensional portals.
As I already noted before Midnighter's predictions does not excuse any difference in physical ability. As well as any counters Iron Fist may have that are not easily predicted.
And besides, it's not like Iron Fist hasn't fought peers who can predict his every move.
Iron Fist Killer? Strong enough and fast enough to take down Luke Cage and Fat Cobra, and read Danny like a book after absorbing his ki.
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You are clearly inferring that if I don't answer to the thread I'm conceding thus you're making an argument from silence.
Thanks for proving my point.
Nope.
I just proved that you use the argument from silence on daily basis.
I should win a medal for answering to you when you are openly trolling.
As seen here the continuous misinterpretation of Iron Fist's feats via completely ignoring the context and making-up explanations. GG
Nice try.
Once again that's a gross misinterpretation.
I will expose with force details why you are a liar and or someone whom is relying on cognitive dissonance instead of reading the comic at hand.
I'm sure that you have been calling out about it before and you claims ridiculed.
Unfortunately what you are trying to make pass as an ability to absorb explosion was only Danny absorbing radiation from his hand-to-hand with Radion and surviving because he is more durable than a normal human, as he is peak human because he is summoning his Chi.
Same stuff with Master Khan about the damages...
Danny didn't broke the Crimson band neither because:
A) The spell is shown being dissipated on panel, after Danny calls Yu-Ti upon his responsibility on Danny's parents death, thus making Master Kahn's request accepted by default.
B) Danny summon his Iron Fist AFTER the Crimson bands are dissipated.
C) The Iron Fist enhance the striking power and not the strength thus making it impossible for Danny to destroy the Crimson band via sheer force...
Those 3 points, like many others, literally fly over your head because hey, why reading a character from a comic book when you can create your own, isn't it ?
Nope.
You scan spamming is a proof of it, you can't evolve.
And about Danny's combat speed and the overhyped "Drunk Fist", here is the full context:
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This pretty much defuse all of your claims about Danny being able to shrugg off Nukes or move thousand of times the speed of sound or the Drunk Kung-Fu being efficient...
If the writers say hey, Midnighter can hit Apollo hard enough in the eardrums to burst them...then he can.
If he is able to snatch a child, completely shred a superhuman, and return to where he was standing before anyone else can move...and in the exact same storyline, they show those superhumans (all clones of each other) matching Apollo, who can cross the world in 30 seconds...then he can.
If he can one shot the Engineer, with a single headbutt etc etc...you get where I'm coming from, I hope.
That's why we don't just rely on handbooks and bios. Their feats also count. And if a character like Midnighter, who does NOT do 'space cheese' feats, but exists purely to phuck stereotypical comic archetypes up, has feats purely in battle....you cannot discount them.
If there is a gap on speed (I don't think so), it isn't massive. And if it is in favour of IF, then the computer plus doors more than evens it out.
The thing's hard to quantify, but I file it under the same place I put skills like "Spidey sense", which is "magic". Prediction by plot.
Between the likes of Zealot managing against the computer, and Rand going against various precognitive plot devices (Everything from the Spidey Sense and Iron Fist Killer, Mr. X's tp, to Matt's Radar Sense), at the least the BP should be a wash, imo..
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May as well give Batman the JLA teleporter in his fights.
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