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Morlun wins, for me.

He was fast enough to beat the crap out of Spidey, which rarely happens unless you're a symbiote who happens to negate the Spidey Sense.

He was strong enough to rip adamantium. And this was Wakanda trying their very best to stop him, so I highly doubt they'd use crappy beta adamantium to hold people.

He was durable enough to tank Wakanda's entire armoury thrown at him. Including nukes.

He loses due to radiation poisoning, rather than being out matched physically. Not to say that he can't be outmatched physically, but rather, it takes a lot to beat him down.

Not to mention, on top of his physicals, he can also drain his opponents. So Aquaman would be fighting a battle where he would be getting weaker, even as Morlun gets stronger.


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Cool. Is that your opinion on both scenarios?


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He was strong enough to rip adamantium. And this was Wakanda trying their very best to stop him, so I highly doubt they'd use crappy beta adamantium to hold people.


Adamantium beta is just as tough - if not tougher - as the real deal.

The crappy version is called 'secondary adamantium'.

And that feat from BP book is consistent with how Straczynski viewed the character.


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Cool. Is that your opinion on both scenarios?


Hmm, with the trident. Tricky, that. Yes, it pierced Darkseid - and Morlun is no Darkseid - but Aquaman needed Flash to give him the thrust needed to pierce him.

I just find it very difficult to see Aquaman outputting enough damage to hurt Morlun, is all. Just based on what I've seen him shrug off - and yes, that includes Spidey desperately trying to put him down.


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Hmm, with the trident. Tricky, that. Yes, it pierced Darkseid - and Morlun is no Darkseid - but Aquaman needed Flash to give him the thrust needed to pierce him.

Was this the infamous eyeball scene? I dont recall Flash thrusting AM. I'm
Sure there have been other fights, though.
Anyway, thank you for answering the overall question. My follow up is just idle curiosity.


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I wouldnt call that thrust, personally. More of a fastball special, getting him whete needed to be.
Considering this was the inaugural JLA fight (and everyone was snarkily asking "what can you do") you'd think the writers/characters would have made a point of mentioning the tactic (Flash: "I can thrust you, Fish Guy!").

The above is just MO, though. Its a great catch on your part.


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At Flash level speed though. Pierced with a Trident at that speed would do much more damage in my opinion. If it was a matter of right place right time Flash could have just ran up to him and kept repeatedly poking Darkseid in the eyes at the speed of light.

Now I think of it that would be quite an amusing scene if it was in a comic.


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^^^haha!
Flash: "IcandoTHIS!IcandoTHIS!IcandoTHIS!"

But yeah, that was not thrust.


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Hmm, with the trident. Tricky, that. Yes, it pierced Darkseid - and Morlun is no Darkseid - but Aquaman needed Flash to give him the thrust needed to pierce him.

I just find it very difficult to see Aquaman outputting enough damage to hurt Morlun, is all. Just based on what I've seen him shrug off - and yes, that includes Spidey desperately trying to put him down.


Aquaman is like a hundred times stronger than Spidey though.


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Aquaman is like a hundred times stronger than Spidey though.


that's what i'm saying too...

and this is what happened to morlun's dad who was depicted as being considerably more powerful than morlun or any of his brothers or sisters:

http://imgur.com/a/8jqd8

with his trident i could see arthur doing something similar. maybe not as damaging, but enough that morlun would certainly be hurt. maybe? /shrug


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that's what i'm saying too...

and this is what happened to morlun's dad who was depicted as being considerably more powerful than morlun or any of his brothers or sisters:

http://imgur.com/a/8jqd8

with his trident i could see arthur doing something similar. maybe not as damaging, but enough that morlun would certainly be hurt. maybe? /shrug


That happened to his father, not Morlun and everyone was shocked when it happened. What we do know is that Morlun dad would completely annihilate Aquaman so there was more at play during that scene.


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It's like me saying since Wolverine stabbed Thanos who had the IG bone clawed Saber tooth could beat him. We have no idea what was at play during that scene...especially since we've seen Morlun shrug off stab wounds like nothing.


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One could make a theory that Spider-Kaine was able to absorb the life force of Inheritors like The "All-New" Man-Spider (Parker) could.


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One could make a theory that Spider-Kaine was able to absorb the life force of Inheritors like The "All-New" Man-Spider (Parker) could.


Yep...the Spider was powerful as hell. Solus mud stomped the most powerful being in the Universe with ease but thought this being was much more formidable. This isn't a low showing for Solus, it's a high showing for the bug. It's not a low showing for Hulk that Titanus punched him to sleep, it's a high showing for Titanus. Doesn't mean that Thing would get a majority because of it. It's not a low showing for Superman to get a whole punched through him by Zod heat vision, it's a high showing for Zod. Doesn't mean that Surfer blast could repeat the same process. Anyways, Aquaman gets slaughtered here, even with the trident.


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That happened to his father, not Morlun and everyone was shocked when it happened. What we do know is that Morlun dad would completely annihilate Aquaman so there was more at play during that scene.


actually we don't 'know' anything of the sort at all. we never saw any of morlun's family fight someone like AM. maybe his dad would have killed AM. his dad seemed to be able to drain energy much better than morlun could as seen when he drained cap universe. the other siblings were too afraid to even ENTER cap universe spidey's universe. so, if a more powerful morlun (his dad) could be stabbed and killed, no real reason to think a high cl100 with a magic trident couldn't do something similar to a less powerful morlun.

we've also seen ezekiel bloody morlun's nose with a punch:

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files...manmorlun35.jpg

http://www.marvel-world.com/content...l/ezekiel_2.jpg

if ezekiel can bloody him, tell me why arthur can't? first scan also shows morlun is fast, but not as fast as spiderman. and blitzing/stealing the trident in the blink of an eye is certainly not an option. and it's not like AM is slow either.

bottomline--this is far from a sure thing, especially with the trident. he has some inconsistencies around his character and even the full nature of his powers still.


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One could make a theory that Spider-Kaine was able to absorb the life force of Inheritors like The "All-New" Man-Spider (Parker) could.


maybe, but the problem with that is the siblings killed kaine--easily--after their dad was killed.... but it's possible. we also know they DO die and can be killed. clones were sent out a few times in the spiderverse arc. /shrug


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maybe, but the problem with that is the siblings killed kaine--easily--after their dad was killed.... but it's possible. we also know they DO die and can be killed. clones were sent out a few times in the spiderverse arc. /shrug


Yes, I remember. The whole scene was weird, but hey, it happened.

Morlun is not Solus, though. He can take stabs pretty damn well:

1. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BIEc7dcJ3...00/scan0017.jpg
2. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...nwolverine2.jpg

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1. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...03406-Scree.png
2. https://arousinggrammardotcom.files...w=590&h=884


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actually we don't 'know' anything of the sort at all. we never saw any of morlun's family fight someone like AM. maybe his dad would have killed AM. his dad seemed to be able to drain energy much better than morlun could as seen when he drained cap universe. the other siblings were too afraid to even ENTER cap universe spidey's universe. so, if a more powerful morlun (his dad) could be stabbed and killed, no real reason to think a high cl100 with a magic trident couldn't do something similar to a less powerful morlun.

we've also seen ezekiel bloody morlun's nose with a punch:

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files...manmorlun35.jpg

http://www.marvel-world.com/content...l/ezekiel_2.jpg

if ezekiel can bloody him, tell me why arthur can't? first scan also shows morlun is fast, but not as fast as spiderman. and blitzing/stealing the trident in the blink of an eye is certainly not an option. and it's not like AM is slow either.

bottomline--this is far from a sure thing, especially with the trident. he has some inconsistencies around his character and even the full nature of his powers still.


Morlun became more powerful after his fight against E and Spiderman. Lol and he is faster than Spiderman. He has moved so fast Spiderman didn't even see him move.

Also, you pointing out E making him bleed, you probably want to look at Morlun and Spiderman first fight. Spiderman pounded on him, threw him from a skyscraper face first into the ground, hit him across the face with vehicles and his fist and it did nothing but wait, E making him bleed is what stood out to you.

no expression ... what the F Leo. Do I honestly need to point out Aquaman low showings. It's easy to find. Let me know.

Moral of story, given ALL of Morlun showings minus the supposed low showings you are reaching for, Morlun stomps. Now let me know if you want to continue with this low craziness you're doing. I'll start gathering my Aquaman showings.


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