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Beyonder Doom vs. God Doom

Old Post Aug 24th, 2016 11:28 PM
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Depends which version of Beyonder I guess.

If pre-retcon, Beyonder Doom has the whole 'thousands of times powerful than everything power so probably wins.

If post-retcon, then at that point Doom only had the power of the child-unit/CCU Beyonder, which God Doom is explicitly thousands of times more powerful than.

So depends on that I guess.


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If post-retcon, then at that point Doom only had the power of the child-unit/CCU Beyonder, which God Doom is explicitly thousands of times more powerful than.


Which is Hickman's BS of course. Even post Retcon, many of Beyonder's multiversal feats were still valid (the most notorious was erasing Death from all creation and the LT and all other Cosmic Powers were there unable to stop him or reverse it). Post Retcon Beyonder also had control over TIME as well as his other reality warping powers (Hickman's Beyonders have no control over it). Spiderman had post retcon Beyonder's power for a few seconds yet he remade ALL creation. Molecule Man and Post Retcon Beyonder's fight was TRANSmultiversal.

Beyonder Doom stomps.


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Spiderman had post retcon Beyonder's power for a few seconds

yet he remade ALL creation.

Actually, it was one nanosecond.

But, even more astonishing,
is that Wolverine and Doom separately also remade all creation,
within that same nanosecond.

In fact, all 3 of them, lived entire separate lives, within that billionth of a second. laughing out loud


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That was of course non canon.

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The book and story is 100% canon. thumb up ... ties into the original SW harmoniously.

We've been through this already. Marvel titles with an "all ages" rating means nothing to canonicity.

I've researched this thoroughly. Let me know.


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No, it wasn't. Spider-Man gave Hulk the pep talk when he was bracing the mountain for example when it was Reed in the actual story. There are a lot of inconsistencies between it and the actual story.

And it's an all ages book. Which automatically makes it non canon.


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Cool, that was one detail that was warped, but that's it. It's minute in the grand scheme of the story.
Everything else is nigh-verbatim to the original story.

Anywho, I supposed the mini arc, "Last Planet Standing," is also auto non-canon?

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Oh ahbi, you never fail. I have several more in wait, but I wanna see you wiggle around this first.

Homie, if you got no official Marvel sources to support your claim, and, I know you don't,
don't come at me again with this fallacy. Actually, since I know, don't come at me again.


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Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it wasn't. Spider-Man gave Hulk the pep talk when he was bracing the mountain for example when it was Reed in the actual story. There are a lot of inconsistencies between it and the actual story.

Well that was bound to happen. The original story is 30 something years old. Those were either retcons or writer screwups. The story is canon as far as I'm aware.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool, that was one detail that was warped, but that's it. It's minute in the grand scheme of the story.
Everything else is nigh-verbatim to the original story.


Other parts were inconsistent as well. It wasn't "warped".

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Anywho, I supposed the mini arc, "Last Planet Standing," is also auto non-canon?

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Of course. Its from MC2, a different reality altogether.

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Oh ahbi, you never fail. I have several more in wait, but I wanna see you wiggle around this first.


When I mean non canon, it means they occur in a different reality and are not canon to 616 characters.

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Homie, if you got no official Marvel sources to support your claim, and, I know you don't,
don't come at me again with this fallacy. Actually, since I know, don't come at me again.


Oh you poor fool.


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Other parts were inconsistent as well. It wasn't "warped".

What "other" parts?
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Originally posted by abhilegend

Of course. Its from MC2, a different reality altogether.

The wiggle.
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Originally posted by abhilegend

When I mean non canon, it means they occur in a different reality and are not canon to 616 characters.

Interesting fallacy.

So, now you have you try and find (actually make up some more bullshit)
that mysterious "realty" where the Spidey SW mini took place.

Dude, I mean ... ...


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wait, mc2 feats are canon to 616....? confused


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Originally posted by Mr Master
What "other" parts?


Hulk and Spidey fighting Enchantress. Enchantress playing with Spider-Man for a whole issue.

Etc.
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The wiggle.


The ****? MC2 is canon to 616 now?
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Interesting fallacy.

So, now you have you try and find (actually make up some more bullshit)
that mysterious "realty" where the Spidey SW mini took place.

Dude, I mean ... ...


Dude, shut the **** up if you can't understand such a simple concept.


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Hulk and Spidey fighting Enchantress.

Enchantress playing with Spider-Man for a whole issue.

I see you don't understand the concept behind the mini.

First, it's not a re-print, it's a follow up. So yea, it's not going to be identical.
The point of the mini is to present details we never got to see in the original portrayals.
These "details" are obviously made up by Tobin (writer) so, he can add anything he wants.

Oh, and Enchantress wasn't playing with Spidey,
that was Galactus right before the heroes challenged him, while they were observing him.
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The ****? MC2 is canon to 616 now?

no expression .. It's a "wiggle" cause you made it seem like "all ages" rated books never happened.

Now the spin (wiggle) is, that "all ages" books only apply to alternate realities. laughing

Which is complete bull
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Dude, shut the **** up if you can't understand such a simple concept.

Nah, you shut the **** up with your lieS!

And ... Let me know when you have that proof,
which means,
you'll never let me know since the proof is non-existent. thumb up


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I see you don't understand the concept behind the mini.

First, it's not a re-print, it's a follow up. So yea, it's not going to be identical.


That's not what it is. It's a reinterpretation in a different reality.

Hulk lifting the mountain is one of the most iconic scenes of Secret Wars and this book completely changed that. There is no way to reconcile it.

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The point of the mini is to present details we never got to see in the original portrayals.
These "details" are obviously made up by Tobin (writer) so, he can add anything he wants.


And as this is an all ages comic, it's not happening in 616 universe.

And no, he can't just add whatever he want.
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Oh, and Enchantress wasn't playing with Spidey,
that was Galactus right before the heroes challenged him, while they were observing him.


Enchantress was causing that too.
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no expression .. It's a "wiggle" cause you made it seem like "all ages" rated books never happened.


laughing out loud

Where did you even get that you fool?

Non canon doesn't means never happened.
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Now the spin (wiggle) is, that "all ages" books only apply to alternate realities. laughing


That's how marvel advertised the comic.

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Which is complete bull

Nah, you shut the **** up with your lieS!


Hahaha, oh you poor deluded fool.

Keep paddling the same bullshit.
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And ... Let me know when you have that proof,
which means,
you'll never let me know since the proof is non-existent. thumb up


The proof is right there on cover.

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MC2 is an alternate future around 15 years from present day. It branches from 616.

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That's not what it is. It's a reinterpretation in a different reality.

Hulk lifting the mountain is one of the most iconic scenes of Secret Wars and this book completely changed that.

Hulk was portrayed doing the exact same thing in the Spidey mini, as he did in the original SW.
The only difference is that Tobin gave Spidey Reed's dialogue in the mountain scene.

Still waiting on that non-existent proof which tells us the number or name of this "different reality."
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And as this is an all ages comic, it's not happening in 616 universe.

And as this is an all ages rated story, Spiderman & SW, so it is happening in the 616 universe. thumb up
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Originally posted by abhilegend

And no, he can't just add whatever he want.

Yea he can, since it's from a point of reference we never saw in the original.
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Enchantress was causing that too.

I already told you it was Galactus's presence which was warping reality when the heroes approached him:

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I hate when you step to me without knowing what the **** you're debating about.
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That's how marvel advertised the comic.

You're the only one advertising that bull son.
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Originally posted by abhilegend


The proof is right there on cover.

... and bullshit!

In the Spiderman/SW mini, many scenes directly from the original SW were portrayed and expanded on,
but this stands out as a depiction which stamps the book as 100% canon to the original SW:

While moving through "time" with the imaginary Enchantress due to Galactus' presence warping reality,
she points out to Spidey a momentous occasion in his history, namely, finding the Black Suit,
which ONLY took place in the original SW, and which ONLY produced a 616 limited run called Web of Spiderman:


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*** (original Secret Wars #8) ***

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... The illustration and even the dialogue is verbatim. ...

Now come claim that there are/were two Web of Spiderman.laughing (no room for wiggle here punk)

But never mind, and troll on, as you most definitely will return with exactly that..


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Originally posted by Mr Master
Hulk was portrayed doing the exact same thing in the Spidey mini, as he did in the original SW.
The only difference is that Tobin gave Spidey Reed's dialogue in the mountain scene.


And that in itself is proof enough that its not canon to 616 universe.

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Still waiting on that non-existent proof which tells us the number or name of this "different reality."


This is an all ages comic and Paul Tobin himself informed that All Ages comics are not bound by code of continuity.

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https://blog.tfaw.com/2010/12/06/pa...vel-adventures/

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And as this is an all ages rated story, Spiderman & SW, so it is happening in the 616 universe. thumb up


Even the writer denies that.
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Yea he can, since it's from a point of reference we never saw in the original.


And not bound by continuity.

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*random bullshit*


This is all unnecessary at this point. I would like to burst your bubble once more but who cares

The comic is out of continuity. Cry more.


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And that in itself is proof enough that its not canon to 616 universe.

Non-Stop bull in the house.
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Originally posted by abhilegend

This is an all ages comic and Paul Tobin himself informed that
All Ages comics are not bound by code of continuity.

So no evidence of any kind relating to the Spiderman/SW mini.

No proof of any kind from Marvel comics.

Beyond that:
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An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof.

Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc.

There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...817#post9388817

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So take your wannabe 'reference' and shove it. Phuk I care what some ghost text on the net states.

... not Marvel comics, or official Marvel sources? .. phuck off.
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Even the writer denies that.

laughing .. yah, some ambiguous unofficial text by who knows who.
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This is all unnecessary at this point. I would like to burst your bubble once more but who cares

The comic is out of continuity. Cry more.

So, still shitting in your pants and diving in, every chance you get.

Anywho, the Spiderman and Secret Wars mini is 100% canon to the original Secret Wars

which took place and is canon to 616.

When you have that official Marvel source saying otherwise, return.

but, I know you'll come back with more gobbledygook.

That's who/what you are and we all know it.


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Are we talking about Marvel Age/Adventures? Those are not canon to 616. Darwyn Cooke Said it was a seperate continuity years ago. However, that was then


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