Yes, but Dooku didn't understand the extent of Kenobi's skill at that point and was underestimating him. His entire attack sequence was focused on countering a form Kenobi wasn't using.
In a sabers only confrontation, sure, it could play out loosely like that; but Kenobi isn't nearly as overwhelming or physically taxing as Darth Vader, who Ahsoka held out for a respectable time with despite being on the defensive, and even still she was mounting attacks every so often. In in all out, she can use the Force to gain her an edge when her lightsaber abilities aren't doing the trick.
Kenobi's offensive against Maul and Opress was incredibly circumstantial, and Kenobi never fought Hett in canon, bae.
Ahsoka quickly gained an edge over Vader in their initial bout, kicking him in the head and Force pushing him, so to be honest, she could probably gain an early advantage and throw Kenobi off with martial attacks and telekinesis.
If we're putting that much stock into the novel, Kenobi was almost killed by a single MagnaGuard. Ahsoka is going to press him.
I mean, I'd agree if we knew just how much telekinetic might Anakin could muster in that broken mental state, but we don't. Anakin is notorious for faltering when he isn't focused or clear-headed.
Fact is, Kenobi has never really landed a push on someone even close to as powerful as Vader.
Vader was looking directly at her when she came at him and was engaged and prepared for combat, it would make literally no sense that his defenses would be down.
Kanan only gripped the Inquisitor when he was under the impression Kanan was unconscious, and was focused on executing Ezra. At literally no other point does Kanan use telekinesis against the Inquisitor. If Kanan had, in a legitimate manner, you would have a point, but even in the final fight between the Inquisitor and Kanan, the Inquisitor throws him with the Force. Kanan defeated the Inquisitor because of tactics, and a clear-headed, focused attitude. Throughout the entirety of season one of Rebels, Kanan's doubt, fear, and self-consciousness restricted his abilities; so when he thought Ezra had died, he let go of it all and was capable of besting the Inquisitor. That was the entire purpose of Kanan's arc during the first season.
Force users must have some form of defense, or else TK attacks would be far more prevalent. Plus, Filoni's team coordinates with the story group so everything in canon meshes well, so I really doubt the TV shows operate on some different level in regards to Force defenses.
A point I already made note of. It's not changing the fact Kenobi handled a powerful assault by Dooku with complete ease.
Take note of the above, as well.
First we see Kenobi moving so fast that Dooku thought he vanished. Next we see Kenobi moving just as fast as Dooku, blocking his escape. And then we have Kenobi mounting such an overwhelming defense that Dooku couldn't possibly make an attack. Note the text does not suggest Dooku attempted to counter the defense with an Ataru or Shii-Cho specific maneuver. It simply stated that "Dooku dared not even *try* a strike" in general. Such a level of defensive capabilities is significantly beyond anything Ahsoka Tano can hope to penetrate. She's no Dooku, after all. Not even close, really.
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Which isn't relevant to the point.
Ahsoka Tano *is* going to be losing significantly more energy than Obi-Wan Kenobi is during the the fight.
Obi-Wan Kenobi *is* capable of handling Ahsoka Tano's offensive when he handled someone's like Dooku's.
Ahsoka Tano *is* going to mess up first. She's slower, less skilled, less experienced, and honestly less powerful.
The Chosen One himself couldn't do what you're suggesting.
I doubt Ahsoka Tano would have much better success.
Or at the very least, you haven't presented any evidence she could.
Ah, so it's Canon only? Then the circumstances highlighted in the novelization of that fight isn't considered, since that's Legends. Any circumstance you can muster up would then be completely based on personal observation without canonical backing (i.e. the close quarters hindered the movement of the duo), or directly contradicting previous lore (i.e. Kenobi was amped by Gallia's death, which wouldn't be true since we previously see a rage amp causing Kenobi to go off balance). The fight between Kenobi and the Maul/Opress duo then, most definitely, is wonderful indication of what Kenobi's offense is capable of achieving, and it's frankly more devastating than Tano's. Which is ironic, since Kenobi's obviously a defensive fighter.
Except she really didn't. With the exception of pushing him, she wasn't on the winning side of the spectrum there. The kick did absolutely nothing, and Vader was handling her attacks fine. And once Darth actually got serious, she was in retreat for almost the rest of the fight. And in Canon, Vader hasn't proven himself to even be a more skilled opponent than Kenobi anyway. In fact, much to the contrary. While there's no denying Old Ben was on the losing side of his fight with Darth Vader, he was still performing impressively. Quite honestly, Ben Kenobi fared more impressively against Darth Vader than Ahsoka Tano did. I can only imagine then that Obi-Wan Kenobi in his prime would perform significantly better.
Within the context of the novel, said MagnaGuard was implied to be more capable of handling Jedi than Grievous ("Grievous was starting to think less about winning this particular encounter than about surviving it. Let his MagnaGuards fight the Jedi; that's what they were designed for-and they were doing their jobs well.") and operated nearly at the speed of light ("each with reflexes that operated near lightspeed, each with hypersophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience and adapt its tactics instantly to any situation..."). I hate to say it, but Tano's blatantly not a more dominating combatant than *that*, so the point is mute.
So we're going to completely ignore the feat because you don't have a personal opinion on where Skywalker stands? That's ridiculous. Skywalker's just as powerful in the Force as Yoda ("Clearly Anakin was as strong in the Force as any Jedi who had ever sat on the Council.") with virtually unlimited Force reserves to draw from ("As Palpatine, he befriended Skywalker, beoming a close friend and a fatherly authority to a youthful warrior often confused by his seemingly boundless power and abilities he had at his disposal."). Even in Skywalker's state of turmoil and confusion (which isn't even that Canon, by the way. The prime sources stating he wasn't as powerful are all from Legends), he's still ridiculously powerful, potentially greater than Darth Vader himself.
You're mixing a primarily Legends-based power with Canon. Portrayals of barriers in Canon are blatant and explicit. Also, Kanan and Ezra were even capable of pushing Darth Vader within the Rebels continuity. Although Vader wasn't staring directly at them, they nonetheless visibly yelled "now" and briefly gathered their energies, clearly presenting Vader with enough time to establish a Force barrier around himself. It's unclear if Vader was "looking directly at" Tano anyway.
Kanan yelled "no!" before subduing the Inquisitor with telekinesis.
He should have been well aware of his presence and potential threat.
Unless there's a novel about the fight that supports your viewpoint, it's unsupported and defies logic.
Not really. Telekinesis isn't even that common against non-Force sensitives.
Do you have any quotes confirming a joint assessment on how Force powers work?
Because clearly Rebels portrayal of the Force is sluggish, whereas novels classically have it frequently used.
A blatant distinction can easily be made by simply looking at it.
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(Pt. 2) Ultimately, there's little evidence to really even suggest Darth Vader's a more skilled duelist than Obi-Wan Kenobi in the Canon continuity, let alone to the point where Ahsoka Tano faring decently against him is more impressive than Obi-Wan Kenobi capable of handling the Darth Maul or Savage Opress duo or being significantly beyond Dooku's offensive capabilities. Like I pointed out, Old Ben alone might be better than Tano. In regards to the Force, even if Ahsoka Tano fair and square pushed Darth Vader, which she probably didn't, Kenobi should still handle said assault when he was backhanding an enraged Mustafar Anakin Skywalker just fine. Or at the very least, its dishonest to say that Tano has a significant Force edge that would clearly tip the tide in her favor when she doesn't. Kenobi will handle Tano's offense, tire her, and then destroy it.
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Last edited by Jaggarath on Aug 30th, 2016 at 06:25 PM
Read again, I'm talking about your idea's on Magnaguards. Your arguments are clearly bunk. Grievous is implying no such thing and those reflexes are still nothing compared to the force. The idea that a MG would be anything but fodder for Vader or even Ahsoka is ridiculous.
Also you don't get to be so dismissive of an argument you've consistently failed to rebut. It's transparent you're attempting to dodge the issue because you have no real response.
Aug 29th, 2016 01:39 AM
