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StiltmanFTW
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Jason Todd vs. Batwoman

1. Standard equipment.

2. Hand-to-hand.

3. Six hours of prep.

Discuss.

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Unless someone can show BW to have had better training, i say RH, RH, and no idea.
Prep is open to too much conjecture, sorry.

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LOL! Jason is in Batman's class now. Kate doesn't win a single fight.

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LOL! Jason is in Batman's class now. Kate doesn't win a single fight.

Bane would disagree with you...

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No.

Sep 1st, 2016 07:17 PM

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Kate does have access to some DEO tech that could make this interesting. I am curious to what Red Hood has done to take him from Nightwing level to Bats. For instance Batwoman performed way better in her two on one against Bane, than Jason did.

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Kate does have access to some DEO tech that could make this interesting. I am curious to what Red Hood has done to take him from Nightwing level to Bats. For instance Batwoman performed way better in her two on one against Bane, than Jason did.

Jason defeated Batman in an issue of Red Hood. He also did better against Cassandra Cain than Dick Grayson, and owned Lady Shiva. Among other insane feats, like slipping away (Ninja style) from Supergirl, who was impressed with his stealth.

Sep 1st, 2016 08:57 PM

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Also got destroyed by venomless Bane, don't forget that.

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Meh, Jason doesn't have much low feats. And that wasn't a low feat.

Sep 1st, 2016 09:05 PM

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Didnt know RH was THAT high up the stat ladder... eek!

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Yeah, he's done other insane feats such as cancelling out someone's immortality/powers through a punch, courtesy of AllCaste training.

He's also survived being thrown through a building by Frankenstein and managed to take Lobo down with a knee attack.

He's also going to fight Artemis in the next issue. Hopefully it's a good fight.

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Remember when Batman slipped away from Gotham and Gotham Girl? Well, here is Red Hood's version of that.

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And Ducra stated that she can train Jason to fight when he's unconscious and be the best assassin in the world.

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Jason defeated Batman in an issue of Red Hood.

Are you referring to the one panel flashback in Red Hood and the Outlaws #6?
B/c the actually fight is never shown.

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To give Jason a clean win over Bruce w/o knowing any context and to suggest that this "win" means he is now on Bruce level and above Nightwing is a very shaky argument. Especially considering how well Dick did against Bruce in their "no hold barred match."

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He also did better against Cassandra Cain than Dick Grayson, and owned Lady Shiva.

Dick also did much better against Bronze Tiger than Jason, owned Midnighter and beat Grifter.

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Among other insane feats, like slipping away (Ninja style) from Supergirl, who was impressed with his stealth.

Even Pre -52 young Nightwing was able to pull a stealthy Batman on Batman

I don't really see how Jason is above Dick now, they are at the same level or slight edge to Dick in strictly hand 2 hand only.

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Yeah, that's what I was referring to. But Jason did have the edge, even if it was off panel. Still impressive, since it was Batman.

When did Night wing get the upper hand against bronze tiger? Jason fought the weretiger. Who had enhanced durability and stats.

Dick also got owned cassandra cain, Jason didn't.

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BTW, slipping away from supergirl>>> slipping away from Batman.

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And he didn't own Midnighter.

Sep 2nd, 2016 02:13 AM

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BTW, slipping away from supergirl>>> slipping away from Batman.

Even Supergirl might disagree with that, tbh.

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Even Supergirl might disagree with that, tbh.

I'm talking about her not spotting Jason, despite her super hearing and sight. Overall, that is more impressive.

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I'm talking about her not spotting Jason, despite her super hearing and sight. Overall, that is more impressive.

Honestly just seems like you're rephrasing what you originally said. In which case, my reply would be the same as I made earlier.

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Ok, don't see how the NW incident is more impressive.

Sep 2nd, 2016 03:28 AM

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