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Ren or Vader; Choose wisely
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ares834
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I wouldn't compare Vader to Anakin either, so it's OK. wink


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That true, I wouldn't either. Vader's far more powerful.

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Originally posted by aalyasecura95
to ucanshootmynova: sorry but it is up to us the debaters to call disney out on bs and this is bs. do you think kylo would even stand a chance against someone like ahsoka?? not buying it. if disney is handing out statements like that to people like kylo then pretty much anyone could get them in the future. when will it be too far for you??? when moralo eval is top duelist in the galaxy??? dont take everything at face value thats called being gullible. from: aalyasecura95


Is this Jack or one of the Ancients?

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That true, I wouldn't either. Vader's far more powerful.


Tbh. thumb up

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to darthbane77: it has no weight until it is properly proven when kylo does something impressive until then its not to be taken at face value. if we just believed them without evidence that would be dumb because they are just words the phrase action speaks louder than words comes to mind here.

to ucanshootmynova: so no response to my argument?? also i'm not ancient lol i joined really recently and jack??? i assume thats some guy on this site? although i dont care either way just would like to see you defend that obviously bs quote instead of dodging the question please. from: aalyasecura95


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lmao

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Originally posted by aalyasecura95
to darthbane77: it has no weight until it is properly proven when kylo does something impressive until then its not to be taken at face value. if we just believed them without evidence that would be dumb because they are just words the phrase action speaks louder than words comes to mind here.

to ucanshootmynova: so no response to my argument?? also i'm not ancient lol i joined really recently and jack??? i assume thats some guy on this site? although i dont care either way just would like to see you defend that obviously bs quote instead of dodging the question please. from: aalyasecura95
Not seeing anything that refutes my quote lol. Your opinion is cancer, and that's saying something coming from me. And these guys think I'm bad lol.

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Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Quan. I love you. But how are you going to haunt the entire forum?
Endless replies attacking Vader.


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Originally posted by aalyasecura95
to ucanshootmynova: sorry but it is up to us the debaters to call disney out on bs and this is bs. do you think kylo would even stand a chance against someone like ahsoka?? not buying it. if disney is handing out statements like that to people like kylo then pretty much anyone could get them in the future. when will it be too far for you??? when moralo eval is top duelist in the galaxy??? dont take everything at face value thats called being gullible. from: aalyasecura95
This is all prior to Kylo's training being complete. Look at Anakin in AOTC and how moronic and childish he was. Mark my words boy and mark them well. Ren will make Vader look pathetic by trilogy's end.


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This is all prior to Kylo's training being complete. Look at Anakin in AOTC and how moronic and childish he was. Mark my words boy and mark them well. Ren will make Vader look pathetic by trilogy's end.


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Vader is far superior to Kylo Ren. Vader has the feats in the Disney canon to prove it. Kylo is also afraid he will never be on the level of Vader.


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As a combatant? Vader stomps, yeah.

As a character? I don't think Vader is out of Ren's league, tbh.


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Vader is far superior to Kylo Ren. Vader has the feats in the Disney canon to prove it. Kylo is also afraid he will never be on the level of Vader.


Feats say everything now? Kylo is afrad that he isn't going to be as strong as Vader, you're the one placing a combative context around it.

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As a combatant? Vader stomps, yeah.

As a character? I don't think Vader is out of Ren's league, tbh.


Vader wasn't stomping Ahsoka so he is definitely not going to stomp Kylo.

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Kylo's a match for Ahsoka now?

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Vader wasn't stomping Ahsoka so he is definitely not going to stomp Kylo.


Rebels Tano is probably > Ren, tbh.

And I was referring to EU Vader.


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Comparing Kylo Ren to Vader is like comparing Luke Walton to to Lebron James. Kylo so far has been a terrible emo-like character well suited for millennials.

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He's probably better then Ahsoka... Let me explain myself here:

What makes a Force user a good combatant (both with the Force and a lightsaber)? It's his/her training, potential, raw power, aptitude for combat, ....right? So it's pretty believable that all those characteristics point towards Kylo , due to his lineage (grandson of Anakin Skywalker) and the accolades he received (from the Visual Guide), besides the training both fighters received which is the most important argument for Ahsoka I've seen come foward. Now let's analyze the training Kylo's received up to The Force Awakens and compare it to Ahsoka's.

First we know that Luke Skywalker, Ben/Kylo's Jedi Master, was trained by Yoda to the point that he was considered a full fledged Jedi Knight (RotJ), sure his time under Yoda was limited but his immense potential in the Force made up for that (besides that in the Revenge of the Sith novelization Yoda says to Obi-Wan that the traditional methode of training isn't the only way to do it IIRC). At this point Luke should be able to pass down his knowledge and train other students to that same extent like for example was done in the PT Jedi Order, right?
Add to that the fact that Luke began studying the Force extensively after the destruction of the Empire (Source: Bloodline, The Character Encyclopedia and Shattered Empire comic) and learned a lot from Lor San Tekka, who recovered much of the old Jedi's history, possessed many Jedi secrets, visited every single Jedi ruin and had knowledge about many ancient Jedi traditions. So Kylo's Jedi training was provided by someone who was not only a trained Jedi himself but also studied the Force and the Jedi traditions of the old Order. Now is the training Anakin's capable of providing Ahsoka really better then Luke's? To my opinion, no becuase Luke actually studied the Force to a greater degree over a longer duration of time.

However this was only Kylo's Jedi training, if we now take a look at his training under Snoke, who was said to have immense knowledge of the Dark Side of the Force and how Kylo, even at the point of The Force Awakens, has studied rare Dark Side lore then it's only logical that not only did Kylo receive more training then Ahsoka but also to noticeable greater degree (Ahsoka was never noted to have studied rare Force powers or anything in that area).

That's why I think Kylo's a better combatant then Ahsoka, every single aspect that defines a warrior is pointed towards Kylo Ren, from pure connection to the Force to his training.


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In terms of his knowledge and mastery over the Force, Kylo is probably better than Ahsoka. However in terms of duelling talent, within the scope of Canon, classically trained duelists > those products of improvised teachings, and the primitive style he demonstrates in TFA is deliberately intended to reflect that. Kylo's Force advantage isn't substantial enough to make up for Ahsoka's advantage in skill imo when she's holding her own against powerhouses like Maul & Vader, so indeed, she would best him.


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Vader is far superior to Kylo Ren. Vader has the feats in the Disney canon to prove it. Kylo is also afraid he will never be on the level of Vader.
An untrained Kylo. Anakin was afraid of losing his mother, wife, and was disrespected by the Jedi in his own infantile mind. Kylo already eclipsed him in evil. His blaster bolt catching force feat eclipses live action Vader as well. Kylo is better. Wait until you see him when his training has been completed.

Snoke and Kylo >>>Palpatine and Vader. Mark my words. I've said it from the beginning.


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Comparing Kylo Ren to Vader is like comparing Luke Walton to to Lebron James. Kylo so far has been a terrible emo-like character well suited for millennials.
Another post highlighting your emotional laden posts which no one takes seriously. Kylo Ren is a big deal. His training isn't even complete yet. I get it you like a guy who cried when he lost his mother and his pathetic wife. You are probably crying at this very moment but I bet you can't explain why. Weak.


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