to darthbane77: it has no weight until it is properly proven when kylo does something impressive until then its not to be taken at face value. if we just believed them without evidence that would be dumb because they are just words the phrase action speaks louder than words comes to mind here.
to ucanshootmynova: so no response to my argument?? also i'm not ancient lol i joined really recently and jack??? i assume thats some guy on this site? although i dont care either way just would like to see you defend that obviously bs quote instead of dodging the question please. from: aalyasecura95
__________________ "Probably my worst quality is that I get very passionate about what I think is right." - Hillary Clinton.
"I don't feel no ways tired. I've been too far, from where I started from. Nobody told me that the road would be easy! I don't believe he brought me this far to leave me! "- Rev. James Cleaveland yesterday, today, and tomorrow - the fight continues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFwRkNWx-n0 love and kindness:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHp69F7vrLU
This is all prior to Kylo's training being complete. Look at Anakin in AOTC and how moronic and childish he was. Mark my words boy and mark them well. Ren will make Vader look pathetic by trilogy's end.
He's probably better then Ahsoka... Let me explain myself here:
What makes a Force user a good combatant (both with the Force and a lightsaber)? It's his/her training, potential, raw power, aptitude for combat, ....right? So it's pretty believable that all those characteristics point towards Kylo , due to his lineage (grandson of Anakin Skywalker) and the accolades he received (from the Visual Guide), besides the training both fighters received which is the most important argument for Ahsoka I've seen come foward. Now let's analyze the training Kylo's received up to The Force Awakens and compare it to Ahsoka's.
First we know that Luke Skywalker, Ben/Kylo's Jedi Master, was trained by Yoda to the point that he was considered a full fledged Jedi Knight (RotJ), sure his time under Yoda was limited but his immense potential in the Force made up for that (besides that in the Revenge of the Sith novelization Yoda says to Obi-Wan that the traditional methode of training isn't the only way to do it IIRC). At this point Luke should be able to pass down his knowledge and train other students to that same extent like for example was done in the PT Jedi Order, right?
Add to that the fact that Luke began studying the Force extensively after the destruction of the Empire (Source: Bloodline, The Character Encyclopedia and Shattered Empire comic) and learned a lot from Lor San Tekka, who recovered much of the old Jedi's history, possessed many Jedi secrets, visited every single Jedi ruin and had knowledge about many ancient Jedi traditions. So Kylo's Jedi training was provided by someone who was not only a trained Jedi himself but also studied the Force and the Jedi traditions of the old Order. Now is the training Anakin's capable of providing Ahsoka really better then Luke's? To my opinion, no becuase Luke actually studied the Force to a greater degree over a longer duration of time.
However this was only Kylo's Jedi training, if we now take a look at his training under Snoke, who was said to have immense knowledge of the Dark Side of the Force and how Kylo, even at the point of The Force Awakens, has studied rare Dark Side lore then it's only logical that not only did Kylo receive more training then Ahsoka but also to noticeable greater degree (Ahsoka was never noted to have studied rare Force powers or anything in that area).
That's why I think Kylo's a better combatant then Ahsoka, every single aspect that defines a warrior is pointed towards Kylo Ren, from pure connection to the Force to his training.
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In terms of his knowledge and mastery over the Force, Kylo is probably better than Ahsoka. However in terms of duelling talent, within the scope of Canon, classically trained duelists > those products of improvised teachings, and the primitive style he demonstrates in TFA is deliberately intended to reflect that. Kylo's Force advantage isn't substantial enough to make up for Ahsoka's advantage in skill imo when she's holding her own against powerhouses like Maul & Vader, so indeed, she would best him.
Last edited by Beniboybling on Sep 2nd, 2016 at 12:42 PM
An untrained Kylo. Anakin was afraid of losing his mother, wife, and was disrespected by the Jedi in his own infantile mind. Kylo already eclipsed him in evil. His blaster bolt catching force feat eclipses live action Vader as well. Kylo is better. Wait until you see him when his training has been completed.
Snoke and Kylo >>>Palpatine and Vader. Mark my words. I've said it from the beginning.
Another post highlighting your emotional laden posts which no one takes seriously. Kylo Ren is a big deal. His training isn't even complete yet. I get it you like a guy who cried when he lost his mother and his pathetic wife. You are probably crying at this very moment but I bet you can't explain why. Weak.