I assumed we would be debating stuff about Detroit, or Vs fights they had.
Only character I'd put above him Pre-Flashpoint here is Wonder Woman and that's due to higher shown strength feats, and consistently fighting at a higher lvl.
Dont bother answering, thats a rhetorical question (i wont be back in here), i wont drag out my opinion on the matter for 7 pages.
I don't spend nearly as much time in your threads as you do in mine.
PG, WW, and SB have objective strength feats orderS of magnitude greater than Arthur.
Which is not to say that Arthur couldn't hurt them physically, because in comics objective strength feats don't usually correspond super well to fisticuffs, but yeah.
Pre-Flashpoint is in the ballpark of Thing and Colossus. He got a bit of a boost in the New 52 strength-wise.
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Aquaman held back. When he came back he tossed Kon into a wall and had him down for awhile. Kon didn't put Aquaman down for page time like visa versa.
MMH did that to SBP.
Kon gave Prime a fight based on plot.
Prime is above regular Supes, suggesting Kon can contend with Prime is like suggesting Kon > Superman.
Prime was only superior thanks to his harness which absorbed additional solar rays at a faster rate. Kon didn't really challenge him until the harness came off.
On top of that Kon's one time fighting Prime doesn't add up to Aquaman fighting and harming characters like Titus, Amazo, Despero, Power Ring.
Your going to have to show me Krypto beating his entire Rogue Gallery or Kon casually dismissing King Shark like Aquaman has.
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Wasn't holding back based on what? Your inability to accept what's suggested on panel. Even in the end of the fight Aquaman suggested he would of been dead if Aquaman decided it. Kon was gone for about 2 panels after Aquaman tossed him away.
There's no context to the Krypto fight you brought up. Ironically I just read that issue of Adventure today.. For All we know Krypto was spamming heat vision on Nanue which he should be susceptible to because of his biology. You have nothing to suggest Krypto beat Nanue by physical means, because the comic is vague as hell.
In "No other Gods before me" Aquaman was harming Titus with his punches. During Detroit Amazo suggested Aquaman was harming him physically. In Crisis of Conscience Despero had to resort to Telepathy because he couldn't take down Aquaman physically, which like Martian Manhunter said "If he can't take you down physically he'll resort to telepathy". First issues of JLA Classified he took down Olympian who had the Fleece of Hercules and also oneshotted Martian Manhunter with his disc. During JLA he also took down Power Ring in Earth 2 specifically who suggested earlier he felt on juiced up and fully powered on Volthoom.
I don't know about the Doomsday instance but if your referencing KC Superman as Kal-L, Superboy was amped during that time. Regardless hurting Kal-L isn't that much of a stretch. King Shark has harmed Superman by physical means in a Superman title.
Prime killed Kon the only time Kon did anything noteworthy was when the harness amping Prime came off. Prime was scared of Kon for some reason and it showed in their fights so yeah I'd call it plot.
Prime didn't kill Kon, it was the tower which exploded killing him. And the harness wasn't removed. And Prime wasn't amped there at all.
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And what does that even shows? Aqauman using a spear on Shark? Because in one on one fight King Shark had upper hand on him. Even bitchslapped him once.
Which isn't that surprising given Superman has also struggled against Ocean Master a superior Aquaman rogue.
If someone suggest there holding back then their holding back. Aquaman stated he was holding back. He didn't state that he was holding back because of his harpoon. That's nothing other then something you decided to throw in. Even if it was his harpoon that means he watching every blow he throws to make sure Instinct doesn't come in and he decides to throw in the wrong punch...
Show me an instance where King Shark wasn't a physical threat to Superboy..? I'll wait.
You've yet to even prove the Amazo showing is non canon.. Despero missed blows on Aquaman logically with how banged up Aquaman was there was probably some back in further their similar to the prior fight Despero had with MMH. Olympian thanks to the Fleece should have the strength of Hercules. Generating enough force to knock down Martian Manhunter is a strength feat...
During Convergence when Superboy fought KC Superman the comic prior suggested that experiments were done to Kon to have him absorb yellow rays faster and store more.
You'd have to show me the Doomsday clone feat. Most Doomsday clones don't hold up because their not spawned with the adaptability of the original.
No, he didn't. He stabbed King Shark and that's it.
Superman twoshotting King Shark isn't that impressive for King Shark. And Superman classified is Byrne Superman who was a lot weaker than usual and even then oneshotted King Shark.
He didn't struggle. He defeated Orm casually after getting out of his chokehold.
Not with strength, he wasn't. You don't hold back your strength to the point you look weaker than someone else.
Never did.
I'd like to see where he stated he was holding his strength.
He wasn't a threat to Superboy ever since he was upgraded in Teen Titans by Geoff.
Aquaman wasn't shown taking any attack from Despero. Superboy has already fought Despero and did far better than Aquaman.
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