History would suggest that it is. In contests where the respective advantages are slight, I don't even recall a single example of the more powerful one winning.
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Active Force moves have been tipping points before without a huge disparity in power: Sidious vs. Yoda, Satele vs. Malgus, Maul vs. TPM Obi Wan, sort of Galen vs. Vader, Sidious vs. Talzin, etc.
But yeah, it does seem to happen less often than just winning or losing a straight up duel, but that might be more due to the choices of the combatants.
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Vader's Force advantage is colossal, and I'm unconvinced that Maul has the sabers advantage, seeing as he was only roughly even with Ahsoka, whereas Vader was beating her.
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How did you come to the conclusion that Maul and Ahsoka are equals?
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Satele lost to Malgus, Galen beat Vader through Dun Moch, and Sidious vs Talzin is not a conventional fight (it was pretty much Force only).
Sidious vs Yoda is a good one, but the Force advantage was bigger than the saber advantage (if there was one). Maul vs TPM Obi-Wan? Maul was better in everything.
Vader is a very different combatant to Ahsoka. I'm pretty sure Maul would do better against a less mobile opponent who he can match in pain tolerance and strength.
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It's not explicitly stated, and regardless, Vader's performance against Ahsoka was demonstrably better than Maul's, despite the fact that both would've been amped all the same.
Maul isn't Vader's equal in physical fortitude by any stretch of the imagination. Maul might have to worry about his own mobility, since he couldn't even stop himself from being thrown off the edge by Kanan
They both used the Force pretty liberally; they didn't seem to think it was pointless.
Yeah, but why?
I don't think that changes the point. Yoda having a larger saber advantage wouldn't have changed what happened on that last senate pod (unless if this advantage also translated into Yoda putting his guard up).
He won with a push; the two were dueling pretty evenly.
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But still, when you think of the hard on Filoni has for Ahsoka and the hate he has for Maul, for them to be roughly 'equal' during that short bout says a little something.
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Oi this is a chill debate. I'm not tryna be all Maul fanboy up in here, I just wanna here your points. On paper Vader is superior
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@Ell - Galen didn't win until he used Dun Moch, which was the primary factor.
Why was Sidious vs Talzin unconventional? Because it was Force only, lol.
TPM Obi-Wan was enraged against Maul, and Maul decided to exploit an advantage when Obi-Wan "left himself open to counterattack", per Lightsabers: A Guide to the Weapons of the Force.
If one goes by the assumption that Yoda held the advantage in a lightsaber contest, then that would explain why he was winning in the Grand Senate podium, and forced Sidious to relocate to a higher location where it became an exclusively Force-only battle. That was when Sidious gained the upper hand.
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I didn't say anything about what was worth using. I'm talking about who tends to win.
Well, for one, how do you establish which is more skilled and which is more powerful? My conditions were very clear - X is slightly better at dueling, and Y is slightly better at the Force. All of your examples don't fit that criteria.
He kind of did at the beginning, but I know that's circumstantial. Although they never engaged in a traditional duel like most combatants after Talzin left Dooku's body, so this example isn't usable
Maul was better at everything, though, not just the Force. It doesn't fit my criteria of one combatant being the better duelist and the other being the better Force user.
Sep 28th, 2016 05:43 AM
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