Prime most likely would win based on concrete pasted feats but I'm unsure since the SuperSun may or may not amp prime. Or could amp Kal 3000 while concurrently crippling Prime since the SuperSun would be intelligent enough to adapt to whichever being it is is actively supporting.
SBP wouldn't receive the Super Sun's full boost, btw -- it only applies to members of the Superman Dynasty post-700th century. That's why mainstream Supes wasn't amped when he was transported to the 853rd century.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 13th, 2016 at 07:09 PM
i mean kal kent is 99% of the time depowered because he is always in some other universe or something. the only time i think i recall he was full powered is trying to stop that moving galaxy which he couldnt and he needed titano to help him. also holding and capturing parasite in a force vision buble. cant tell how strong he is actually. sometimes when depowered he can take out firestorm by just breathing and stated he can destroy a giant red star. when further depowered he gets hurt by the metal men crew, which are what meta level beings? but then beats them. then he is further depowered and can punch thru time centeries.
other times, he is easily beaten by batman 1 million, one shotted by ultraman, beat up hard by those energy balls that could copy powers. i dont know his powers are inconcsistent. he also easily can be hurt by kryptonite while in his bio it says he doesnt have a weakness to it. he also got trapped in a time loop with batman 1 million in their own universe which means he was empowered by the super sun.
i dont know i simply look overall at him and even at his best i cant see him beat prime. mostly because of his character. it seems like kal kent is always avoiding the fight, and when he fights he doesnt have much will to fight. he is more of a boyscout than Clark. he may be powerful but he is simply not for the fighting mostly. he even let wonder woman fight ultraman and took off. i seriously believe if they fought kal kent would be down beaten on the ground with prime on top of him being the douche he is. maybe kal kent has the potential to give a fight but i just dont see him having what it takes.
Last edited by Dareangel on Oct 14th, 2016 at 01:26 PM
what feats do you think kal has to split with prime. kal also has showings in all star superman and he is showed to be more powerful than average sups, but he was trying to defeat that cronoverse creture with the entire superman squad from different universes while all star sups took that creture all by himself. also the fact kal kent couldnt handle solaris. only combined with green lantern together they were able to hold solaris in a force field long enough to exhaust it. if kal kent was that powerful he could just stop them all by himself without seeking help.
i mean, i see a lot of people here ranking kal kent as skyfather and i respect that honestly. but do you see a skyfather getting destroyed by those energy balls to the point he was down and crying. do you see a skyfather trying to stop a galaxy with everything he got because he knows it will be the end of his world and he just fails. sure its not easy a whole charging galaxy but still this is a skyfather level we are taking about. i personally see kal kent after a little research as trans leveler. and against GA prime, i dont see him win.
Prime is a high-end trans-leveler at his base level. With the Guardian Amp, he's easily Skyfather-level in terms of physical stats, imo. Anyway, the main reason I believe Kal wins is because under the Super Sun, he really can't take any lasting damage.
Example:
While Kal was punching through time(and mind you, he was already VASTLY depowered at this point in the story -- couldn't even fly, ffs), he was expending so much energy that he was literally dying at the cellular level, and aging into nothingness. When Kal returned to the 853rd century and under the light of his Super Sun, all of that damage was repaired nigh-instantly, and he was returned to his 'normal' level: http://i.imgur.com/XV19K9i.jpg http://i.imgur.com/AqBHraH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Xq7GPm3.jpg
So unless Prime obliterates him outright, I see any damage he delivers being insta-healed in the same manner. /shrug
*And yes, then you have esoteric abilities, like his galaxy-level Force-Vision to consider.
All of that being said, I have no problem with your opinion that Prime wins. I just disagree, is all.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 17th, 2016 at 07:36 PM
wow you brought a great point which actually makes me re think everything. kal was indeed dying and within seconds he is fully recharged at full power because of the super sun. in that case honsetly i dont know if prime can beat him unless the super sun is taken away. great point galan i think i will have to agree with you.
I don't disagree with your overall assertion, but I think there's a distinct logical leap from recharging depleted cells instantly and healing from a punch in the face. Of course, that's just my opinion and I don't have any proof...
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My thought process is that if the Super Sun can heal cellular damage that extensive, nigh-instantly, it *should* be able to heal basic physical damage just the same. While under the Super Sun it doesn't really seem like Kal can lose energy... Which is a problem, because Prime obviously *can* lose his Guardian amp. If nothing else, Kal would simply outlast him, imo.
So unless Prime musters the power to destroy him outright(which he never displayed, imo), OR brings Kryptonite to the party, I see Kal soaking pretty much everything he can dish out.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 17th, 2016 at 08:31 PM
Thought of the OP, but Dareangel's response to my post certainly made it seem like Prime's energy *can* be diminished, so I guess we'll need clarification...
If Prime's energy cannot deplete either, this is a stalemate. Both would, for all intents and purposes, possess unbounded energy. Thus, the only way to win would be for one of them to essentially one-shot the other... And neither possesses the feats to say they could do that. Kal's FV *might* be able to contain/incapacitate Prime, but even that is questionable at best considering he can punch through dimensional walls and such.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 17th, 2016 at 09:00 PM
Yeah, I don't see ESP as a viable option against Prime either.
An ability that might be helpful, though, is Quantum Vision. S1M used it to deconstruct/contain Toyman's an anti-matter bomb. However, this wasn't just an ordinary bomb...
Resurrection Man was able to briefly contain the bomb by approximating the powers of a black hole, but the bomb's 'hyper-gravity compensators' nearly overwhelmed his abilities. Had S1M not arrived and saved the day, the bomb *would* have beaten RM's powers and detonated: http://i.imgur.com/ZotJAzJ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VUOiekq.jpg
Despite the bomb's many abilities, S1M's Quantum Vision was still able to contain and disassemble it, nigh-instantly. It also prevented any collateral damage from the anti-matter itself.
S1M only used QV once, so it is pretty much impossible to figure out its limits(or lack thereof)... The ability certainly seemed haxx AF, though. /shrug
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 17th, 2016 at 09:51 PM
I could see either winning. The reason I give Prime the advantage over Kal are his feats on panel and his power set in against the some of the most powerful beings in a gauntlet type fashion. Prime has in his power set the ability to retcon characters he could use this to perturb Solaris (or even Kal) to amp himself or negate the Sun completely (now that I have though a moment more about the simulation). Kal does not have retconning abilities from what I've read and seen. It is also within Prime's power set to move planets and inhabitants FTL without any visible sign of effort and said inhabitants even becoming conscious of this. Then factor in the multiple flashes needed to dump him into the speed force this all before the guardian amp. Prime's speed being greater is probabilistically more likely being also a precrisis kryptonian virtually no upper bound explicitly shown or stated. In terms of present evidence Kal has a few esoteric abilities it's just their have not been any shown or stated that can counter what has been shown for Prime the rest is speculation in terms of Kal's potential and what would be shown Super Sun or not which may or may not be a factor to a character that battles universe destroying entities and has no real showings of magic doing more than annoying him. I guess superman wins
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