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Vitiate - Shedding Limitations
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Nephthys
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Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, I mean, he was 10. That being said, source for Vitiate personally constructing the holocron/prison thing?


[SPOILER - highlight to read]: "All holocrons are based on a complex yet elegant technology: a lattice of organic crystals woven together at a microscopic level. The crystal lattice can store vast amounts of information, as well as replicate the appearance and personality of the holocron's creator as a gatekeeper who will guide students in their training.

In his youth, Valkorion--then known as Tenebrae--discovered a way to twist and pervert the lattice so it could capture the spirit of powerful Force users, locking them in a metaphysical cage. He used the weapon on Dramath, his tyrannical father, and trapped him inside the holocron for centuries.

But the same corrupted technology Valkorion used to vanquish his father could also be turned against him, permanently imprisoning his immortal spirit... or obliterating it from existence.

-Dramath's Holocron codex entry"


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This is what people are freaking out about? It means kid Vitiate was a genius not that he was ridiculously powerful.

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Nobody cares about it except ant. smile


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Originally posted by Nephthys
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: "All holocrons are based on a complex yet elegant technology: a lattice of organic crystals woven together at a microscopic level. The crystal lattice can store vast amounts of information, as well as replicate the appearance and personality of the holocron's creator as a gatekeeper who will guide students in their training.

In his youth, Valkorion--then known as Tenebrae--discovered a way to twist and pervert the lattice so it could capture the spirit of powerful Force users, locking them in a metaphysical cage. He used the weapon on Dramath, his tyrannical father, and trapped him inside the holocron for centuries.

But the same corrupted technology Valkorion used to vanquish his father could also be turned against him, permanently imprisoning his immortal spirit... or obliterating it from existence.

-Dramath's Holocron codex entry"


Well, aside from the fact that Tenebrae did this at the ripe age of like, twelve, this actually makes perfect sense. Andeddu did the same thing. It certainly doesn't do jack to put him above Plagueis, though.

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Yes, the thing about him being 12 at the time is the important fact.


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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Revan's probably above Plagueis too.

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As a wise SWTOR wanker said to me: "People are like 'Oh look at what he did at age twelve! Make a super-impressive holocron! Imagine what he could do as Valkorion'... Get imprisoned by that same thing he made as a twelve year old... with that in mind how can you scale him like that?"


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Prepubescent Tenebrae > Valkorion.


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12 years old is prepubescent?


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It's close enough for Beni. smile


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Vitiate was a late bloomer.


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It's close enough for Beni. smile
Quite, a twelve year old isn't legal. Sry DMB.


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Quite, a twelve year old isn't legal. Sry DMB.

I'm not Aurbere LMFAO


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Brutal.

It's a fair point though, if Valkorion is able to be imprisoned by something he constructed as a child, it's difficult to claim he improved significantly in that regard over the ensuing centuries.


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Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
I disagree with you. But Valk's feats are real. Denying him a place above Plagueis would be the equivalent of covering my ears and yelling "lalalala"

That I think Plagueis is shit so I already had Valk above him lulz

no expression mad


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Originally posted by The Ellimist
After new evidence showing that Valkorion may have actually lost to the Outlander, and Beni's gif of Arcann getting kicked and beaten up by a random person with a blaster, should we recontexualize the two emperors closer to Sirak than to a superior like, say, Caedus?

yes


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Originally posted by Azronger
It's not "common sense". It's just an opinion.
One with loads more substantiation than saying Plagueis>Valkorion lol. Plagueis is overrated and back-cover blurbs aren't to be taken seriously. As a few others have already made clear.

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Brutal.

It's a fair point though, if Valkorion is able to be imprisoned by something he constructed as a child, it's difficult to claim he improved significantly in that regard over the ensuing centuries.

Entities are not all-powerful. They are likely to have a weakness or two that can be exploited. The difficult part is to discover one.

For example, Sel-Makor was powerful enough to challenge a Voice of the Emperor at its turf but a sacrifice was enough to defeat it.

Similarly, a single dagger (with special but unknown properties) was enough to kill a Celestial being.

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That's not the point at all.


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