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Azronger
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Nova, source for it being fifty-fifty? That wasn't stated in the book?


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Beni, then how much do you think the amp boosted Vitiate? How would the fight go on neutral ground?


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To a notable degree considering how powerful it was, but when push came to shove Revan still got his shit pushed in. So as far as a contest of Force is concerned, he should still lose decisively under neutral conditions.


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Lets not forget that Revan could likely have benefited from a nexus as well, given his temperament. As seen in Dark Rendevouz, even Jedi can be empowered by a DS nexus. Revan is even more capable of utilising darkside power than Whie or Anakin were.


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Vitiate would have undoubtedly benefitted more though, seeing as he is practiced with the nexus, and was gathering a storm of pure dark side energy.


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There's no evidence that you can "practice" with a nexus, lulz. And Revan started gathering up his own energy almost immediately after Vitiate did.


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Azronger
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To a notable degree considering how powerful it was, but when push came to shove Revan still got his shit pushed in. So as far as a contest of Force is concerned, he should still lose decisively under neutral conditions.


What is this based on? Because Revan "got his shit pushed in" under positive circumstances for Vitiate, that means the same would also happen on neutral ground?


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The nexus didn't benefit Revan. He notes before the fight that it hinders him.


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There's no evidence that you can "practice" with a nexus, lulz. And Revan started gathering up his own energy almost immediately after Vitiate did.
Oh sorry, I forgot that critical reasoning escapes you. smile

And the point was that Vitiate's energy was of the dark side.
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The nexus didn't benefit Revan. He notes before the fight that it hinders him.
That was prior to him being "reborn" though.


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Oh sorry, I forgot that critical reasoning escapes you. smile

And the point was that Vitiate's energy was of the dark side.


If that's what you want to call making shit up for no reason, then sure.

As we see in my examples, that doesn't matter. Revan can tap into that energy just as easily.

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The nexus didn't benefit Revan. He notes before the fight that it hinders him.


I think Karpyshan wrote it that visions and shit were inherently lightside abilities that Vitiate can't use, for some stupid reason.


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Vitiate would have undoubtedly benefitted more though.

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That was prior to him being "reborn" though.


Was it? IIRC, it was right before they entered Vitiate's citadel.


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If that's what you want to call making shit up for no reason, then sure.
No, it's just common sense that greater familiarity begets greater ease.

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As we see in my examples, that doesn't matter. Revan can tap into that energy just as easily.
Which he didn't do here, so who cares?

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Was it? IIRC, it was right before they entered Vitiate's citadel.
Well I assumed you were referring to when he was being tortured, if not then by all means elaborate.


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Well, Scourge didn't know which outcome was more likely, meaning that he likely saw the same number of visions of Vitiate and the trio's victories.

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I think Karpyshan wrote it that visions and shit were inherently lightside abilities that Vitiate can't use, for some stupid reason.


Where is it stated Vitiate couldn't use them?

Anyway, we are talking about Revan, not Vitiate, and had he been a darksider, he could've seen clearly into the future, like Scourge did. This is proof Revan didn't draw on the nexus.


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Well, Scourge didn't know which outcome was more likely, meaning that he likely saw the same number of visions of Vitiate and the trio's victories.


Fair enough.


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Scourge directly states that they would have lost, full stop actually.

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No, it's just common sense that greater familiarity begets greater ease.

Which he didn't do here, so who cares?


Not in this case. It isn't some unique wavepattern you need to resonate with for max effects, there's absolutely no examples of this. It's just another bullshit fanon theory of yours.

Lol, he didn't? It doesn't say whether he did or didn't, just like it didn't say that Vitiate did or didn't. Nice of you to continue assuming though.

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Where is it stated Vitiate couldn't use them?

Anyway, we are talking about Revan, not Vitiate, and had he been a darksider, he could've seen clearly into the future, like Scourge did. This is proof Revan didn't draw on the nexus.


It's what he used Revan for, as a connection to the lightside that let him tap into those powers. Its also why he went to Voss to get that ability after losing Revan.


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Well I assumed you were referring to when he was being tortured, if not then by all means elaborate.


"The dark side obscures my sight. We are walking into a time and place of shadows, and I cannot promise you we will ever come out."

-Revan.


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It's what he used Revan for, as a connection to the lightside that let him tap into those powers. Its also why he went to Voss to get that ability after losing Revan.


Oh yeah, forgot about that. But anyway, not seeing how that is relevant. You failed to respond to my other points.


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We already know the darkside can cloud visions of the future, without effecting other abilities. Revan uses the dark side, he isn't cut off by it. That it effects 1 of his lightside abilities proves nothing.


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