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Inhuman
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Thought it was cool. Felt rushed though.


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This was trash.
Shut the phuck up


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Not sure why this is getting so much hate. I liked it more than both Luke Cage and IF.


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So did I. But I thought both of those were terrible as well.


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This was a letdown, though had some good things within. I was big fan of DD Seasons 1&2 and Luke Cage, thought IF was pretty dumb, and haven't seen Jessica Jones.

Pros:
- Daredevil/Matt being great as usual.
- Mike Colter playing Luke Cage as the moral high ground character who never wants to kill and always holds back was great.
- Danny & Luke fight scene was best scene of the season. Just like Luke Cage, the showrunners in the Netflix MCU are the best in the biz at showing what it'd be like hitting an invincible brick with bare hands.
- Scott Glenn was great as Stick. A team-up series is elevated when you have a character that is willing to go to extreme lengths to win the day, and Stick was that character here.
- A good one-take fight scene in the series climax in the tunnels.

Cons:
- Horrible villains. Gao was the only interesting boss throughout, as she has always been. Alexandra has some intrigue built up only to get offed by Elektra before she does anything beyond train Elektra, let Stick escape, argue with the other fingers of the Hand, and somberly listen to classical music. Bakuto and Mirakami would have been cool if they'd ever be legitimate threats to anyone, but Bakuto got decap'ed by a non-super in Colleen and Mirakami takes cheap shots at Luke only to get put in his place when Luke gets serious. Mirakami also gets outclassed by Daredevil when they fight. Sowande gets quickly captured OFF-SCREEN by Luke, then - in a great moment of anti-CIS - killed by Stick. Villains were the worst in MCU history, which is saying something. Hope the Hand is done for good in this universe.
- Claire always taking Luke's side, even when Matt and Luke are at odds, when the only reason she is involved is because of Matt dropping in on her at the beginning of Daredevil S1. It's like she forgot who anyone was besides Luke or Colleen + Danny.
- So an ancient Kun Lun dragon's remains being harvested will cause New York City to collapse. The dragon's skeleton has been load-bearing for the entirety of NYC for hundreds of years?

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^To add to the above "Con" list:

- While it was interesting to make Danny the focus of the Hand's attention to use the IF to open the door to Kun Lun, Danny hasn't been that good of a character so far in the MCU.
Always pouts.
Always gets hot-headed and talks about revenge.
Can't use the reason he is on the team, the Iron Fist, except every once in a blue moon.
Lets Elektra out-maneuver and out-fight him to the point that she can use his IF as a key to open said door to Kun Lun. On that note...
- Why make Elektra the main villain, and why on Earth does Matt still hold feelings for a psychotic killing machine that's been a murderer since youth? Daredevil doesn't explain that, BTW: she's more evil than other people just cuz.
- In order for the villains to pose any threat, Luke (and to an extent, JJ) had to be nerfed a lot. Luke and Jessica should've been grabbing people and crushing them or punching them and making their noggins/bodies into mush with each hit with the levels of strength they possess.

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Pretty much sums up my thoughts on it. Was decent for the first six or so episodes (imo), but then went to shit once the Elektra wank went full force. Sigourney Weaver played a more interesting character, but they just up and wasted her.


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- In order for the villains to pose any threat, Luke (and to an extent, JJ) had to be nerfed a lot. Luke and Jessica should've been grabbing people and crushing them or punching them and making their noggins/bodies into mush with each hit with the levels of strength they possess.


I didn't think Luke was really nerfed overall. He still had very good durability, shaking off IF punches, as well as a hit from a speeding garbage track (of which even smaller, empty ones can apparently weigh about 15 tons), and the few strength showings he had were solid. He never seemed to actually struggle with any of the pure strength feats he attempted (much like his own show).

However, I did feel like they massively nerfed his striking for this, but I think that was down to choreography. There are numerous instances in his own show where he casually KO's people via slaps/taps etc. Yet he was throwing proper punches to drop people in this show. Hell, Danny takes a punch to the face and isn't even KO'd. Which does not even make that much sense, as there are instances of him easily bulldozing through walls and things (which is consistent with his own show) with his fists, yet humans can take his hits and not explode?

And this can't even be chalked up to the fact that Luke has been established as holding back when he fights, as the hits he throws out achieve the same results as in his own show, but require visibly more effort on his part. And not even really consistently. For example, he can still send someone sailing through the air with a casual palm thrust, like his own show, but has to punch instead of tap to KO.

That being said, I do understand why they did it. If you have IF and Daredevil flipping about and doing highly complicated martial arts moves, and Jessica throwing it in there with her fairly brutal, scrappy fighting style, having one guy tap and backhand people all over the place would look strange, and likely break up the tension they tried to build during the fights.


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Well to make this quick I wasn't a huge fan of the Luke Cage series or the Iron Fist but I didn't mind the Defenders. It wasn't well done but a lot better than most of the shit on Netflix these days. Loved the ending with daredevil


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