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Beniboybling
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Literally disintegrating a Lightsaber with Force Lightning is even better than that? Right? Well, Exal Kressh accomplished that.


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Exal didn't damage the blade, she damaged the hilt because Thanaton was stupid enough to leave it exposed.

Not the same thing, at all.


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Exal didn't damage the blade, she damaged the hilt because Thanaton was stupid enough to leave it exposed.

Not the same thing, at all.

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Force Lightining does not affects the blade of a Lightsaber in the manner you presume. It can engulf the entire weapon though and shatter its hilt under the right circumstances, depending upon its intensity. This still qualifies as disintegration of a Lightsaber.

Teneb Kel was wielding a double-bladed Lightsaber at that time. He attempted to contain Exal Kressh's Force Lightning with that Lightsaber but its hilt disintegrated under the pressure.

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Which is...
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Not the same thing, at all.


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^^^

Force Lightining does not affects the blade of a Lightsaber in the manner you presume. It can engulf the entire weapon though and shatter its hilt under the right circumstances, depending upon its intensity. This still qualifies as disintegration of a Lightsaber.

More importantly, Palpatine never accomplished anything like that.

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Force Lightining does not affect the blade of a Lightsaber in the manner you presume. It can engulf the entire weapon though and shatter its hilt under the right circumstances, depending upon its intensity. This still qualifies as disintegration of a Lightsaber.

Teneb Kel was wielding a double-bladed Lightsaber at that time. He attempted to contain Exal Kressh's Force Lightning with that Lightsaber but its hilt disintegrated under the pressure.


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That was so useless, oh my God. My point is Exal did nothing to the blades, Thanaton was just a numbskull and held the lightsaber in a way that Kressh's lightning could target and damage the hilt.

The blades remain unmoved, whereas Mace's sword is dancing in the wind by getting hit by a holding back Palpatine's lightning.

There's a difference between a metalic shaft, and a conduit of intense plasma energy, you returd. Sheev was beating back the plasma, and Exal the shaft.


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That was so useless, oh my God. My point is Exal did nothing to the blades, Thanaton was just a numbskull and held the lightsaber in a way that Kressh's lightning could target and damage it.

The blades remain unmoved, whereas Mace's sword is dancing in the wind by getting hit by a holding back Palpatine's lightning.

There is a major difference in portrayal of action-sequences in a comic and in a movie. In a movie, we witness the entire action-sequence as it unfolds in fluid manner. In a comic, we witness glimpses of an action-sequence.

Your argument is flawed. You have a better idea about how to contain Force Lightning with a shoto?

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There's a difference between a metalic shaft, and a conduit of intense plasma energy, you returd. Sheev was beating back the plasma, and Exal the shaft.

Palpatine's Force Lightning appears to be making contact with the hilt of Mace Windu's Lightsaber. Pay attention to the gif.

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Their is a major difference in portrayal of events in comics and on-screen. In a film, we witness the entire event as it unfolds in fluid manner. In the comics, we witness glimpses of an action.


Irrelevant. What we see on panel, right before Thanaton's hilt explodes is that the blades are fine, the lightning just targets the hilt.

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Your argument is flawed. You have a better idea about how to contain Force Lightning with a shoto?


Yes, hold it at an angle where the lightning cannot touch the hilt. Teneb was holding it so that the hilt is on the same level as the lightsaber blades of his dual-saber, so it was just as vulnerable to the electric discharge. If he held it properly, ala Kenobi in AotC, Anakin in TCW, and Mace in RotS, the hilt would not have have been damaged.

Not rocket science.

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Palpatine's Force Lightning appears to be making contact with the hilt of Mace Windu's Lightsaber. Pay attention to the gif.


Ah, so not only are you lacking in mental capacity, you need to go to an eye doctor. The lightning only zaps the blade, not the hilt. If it was touching the hilt in any way, Mace's arms would've been burned.

And this is all besides the point. The point is: Palpatine was bending the concentrated plasma energy of the lightsaber, Exal was breaking a metal shaft. Not at all the same thing.


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The movie depicts Windu's hilt fluctuating under Palpatine's assault, the novel describes Mace's blade as being bent backward. Inference is simple yeah, and Leg's examples are irrelevant.


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Back on topic of Sids vs Valky however. Overpowering the defenses of Yoda and Windu > struggling to overcome the defenses of some scrub Jedi.

On the other hand he managed to take down Revan and Arcann when both failed to erect a defense. In which case Sids still has them beat in KO'ing Yoda and taking out Marek.


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Back on topic of Sids vs Valky however. Overpowering the defenses of Yoda and Windu > struggling to overcome the defenses of some scrub Jedi.

Scrub Jedi?

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On the other hand he managed to take down Revan and Arcann when both failed to erect a defense.

They failed to erect a defense? laughing out loud

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You probably should have.


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I accept ur concession.


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Yoda was slow at bringing his raw power to bear in a confrontation; his age had caught up with him during the era of Anakin Skywalker.


You've been watching way too much Jensaarai.

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Episode II novelization pointed out that Count Dooku's Force Lightning pushed Yoda's defenses to its limits initially but he gradually settled down.


That was retconned:

On Geonosis, Yoda's easy parrying and, indeed, handling of the Sith lightning Dooku hurled at him had come as a surprise.

—Labyrinth of Evil


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Episode III film (and novelization) - both demonstrated the fact that Yoda was unable to handle the initial burst of Palpatine's Force Lightning, even though he came to challenge the Sith Lord. However, Yoda brought his raw power to bear more effectively afterwards.


That's just a good feat for Sidious, not a bad one for Yoda.

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Mace Windu's performance against Palpatine remains a subject of contention. Some argue that Windu legitimately dominated Palpatine; others argue that Palpatine threw the fight. Not expanding on it, but the fact that this contention continues to exist, doesn't bodes well for Palpatine in the long-term.


Those who argue it are in denial. There's plenty of evidence across multiple sources that point to the fact that Sidious threw the fight.

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Galen Marek managed to deflect Palpatine's Force Lightning more effectively than Yoda regardless of that. Credit where due. More importantly, this example suggests that you don't have to be Yoda to handle Palpatine's Force Lightning.


Sidious wasn't firing it nearly at full intensity, plenty of evidence to support that notion. Only desperate Galen wankers think he did.

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Literally disintegrating a Lightsaber with Force Lightning is even better than that? Right? Well, Exal Kressh accomplished that.


Learn to distinguish the hilt from the blade.

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And guess what? Vitiate's Force Lightning overwhelmed Lightsaber-augmented defenses of 4 powerful Jedi (simultaneously). What became of those Lightsabers is open to interpretation but they were not visible in the scene depicting those Jedi laying unconscious on the ground in the end. In-fact, DarthAnt66 presented evidence of Tol Braga's Lightsaber bending during the ordeal in one of the threads.


Link me to Ant's thread.

But that feat is insignificant compared to Sidious, who overwhelmed the lightsaber-augmented defenses of Yoda, a Jedi more powerful than Revan, who was slapping Vitiate's lightning aside woth ease with his lightsaber-augmented defenses.

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The fact that Dooku gave Yoda pause in AotC is just an amazing feat for Dooku(y'know, the same person who can kill Vos and Asajj while mortally wounded with lightning) not a bad showing for Yoda, especially given how Tyranus' lightning has no known limits besides that it isn't on par with Sidious'.


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He blocked his attack "far from easily".


Retconned.

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And no, Sidious got overpowered, Windu is constantly able to push his lightsaber towards him and deflect the lightning back in his face. Windu was overpowering him.


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Now Anakin was at Mace's shoulder. Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face.

Palpatine's eyes glowed with power, casting a yellow glare that burned back the rain from around them. "He is a traitor, Anakin. Destroy him."

"You're the chosen one, Anakin," Mace said, his voice going thin with strain. This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade. "Take him. It's your destiny."

-Revenge of the Sith novel


Lmao.

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Marek blocked Sidious' lightning and Sidious was unable to overwhelm his tutaminis, whereas Revan and Arcann got chumped by inferior versions of Vitiate.


He never even attempted to; he was too busy having orgasms to pay any attention to Marek.

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Talzin is just another example of Sidious' lightning failing to be decisive.


Unless you can draw some sort of relevant comparison between Valkorion and Talzin, then she is irrelevant.

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No it isn't. Unless you think Satele and Malgus cracking a lightsaber blade is equally as impressive. Or Exal Kressh disintegrating Thanaton's lightsaber with lightning.


Lol, those aren't even close to being the same.

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That's just Windu's hands/grip shaking. You can see the base of it wobbling in Jackson's hands.


You should take Tondemonai's advice and get glasses, or just be a man, swallow your pride, and admit the truth and accept Valkorion's inferiority.

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Even the novel says that the blade is bending towards Windu, whereas in that clip Windu is pushing towards Sidious and if anything it's shaking in his direction.


Both the novel and the movie agree that the blade didn't stay straight when Sidious blasted it - that's what matters. The specifics are irrelevant.

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Bending a blade isn't even remotely on par with Valkorion's feats anyway.


Like killing non-Force sensitives in ships?

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Even a weakened and holding back Palpatine can match that:

Engines exploded into flame and spit smoke. His Master raised his hands, forming one into a claw emitting jagged bolts of Force lightning that connected him for a moment to the ship. Vader imagined the interior of the craft lit up with the bolts of his Master’s power, the pilots screaming and writhing in pain as the dark side seared their flesh.

-Lords of the Sith


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Yeah Mace's hands shaking shouldn't have caused the blade to spasm like that, which is not consistent across the width of the weapon.

And of course, Palpatine was deliberately holding back, he never intended to overpower Windu.


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@Azronger

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You've been watching way too much Jensaarai.

No, my friend.

That is my observation. However, different people can come to the same conclusion.

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That was retconned:

On Geonosis, Yoda's easy parrying and, indeed, handling of the Sith lightning Dooku hurled at him had come as a surprise.

—Labyrinth of Evil

That revelation represents Count Dooku's perception of the event in question.

The revelation in the Episode II novelization represents Yoda's experience during the ordeal.

Try to understand the context behind each revelation.

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That's just a good feat for Sidious, not a bad one for Yoda.

Of-course, it is a good feat for Palpatine. However, what was my argument?

My argument is that Yoda was slow at bringing his raw power to bear in a confrontation; his age had caught up with him during the era of Anakin Skywalker.

Another factor is that it is really difficult for even the strongest Jedi to deflect Force Lightning with bare hands.

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Those who argue it are in denial. There's plenty of evidence across multiple sources that point to the fact that Sidious threw the fight.

You will notice genuine contradiction in this matter even in official works. For example:

Palpatine killed Master Windu's companions, who soon gained the upperhand. Just as Windu seemed ready to slay Palpatine, Anakin Skywalker intervened and cut off Windu's lightsaber hand.

Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

So?

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Sidious wasn't firing it nearly at full intensity, plenty of evidence to support that notion. Only desperate Galen wankers think he did.

I would like to see this evidence.

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Learn to distinguish the hilt from the blade.

Exal Kressh's Force Lightning engulfed Teneb Kel's Lightsaber and shattered its hilt, destroying the Lightsaber in this manner.

Good enough?

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Link me to Ant's thread.

Request DarthAnt66 for that. I am not able to locate it at the moment.

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But that feat is insignificant compared to Sidious, who overwhelmed the lightsaber-augmented defenses of Yoda, a Jedi more powerful than Revan, who was slapping Vitiate's lightning aside woth ease with his lightsaber-augmented defenses.

Insignificant?

Overwhelming Lightsaber-augmented defenses of 4 powerful Jedi is more tedious task than disarming a single subject. Vitiate had to overcome energy-absorption potential of several Lightsabers while doing so. No rocket science in this.

Revan managed to deflect single bolts at a time. Not the Force Storm.

Yoda might be stronger but Revan was more masterful.

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