Ursumeles
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Why are they ahead of him? And I mentioned him being more powerful then Kanan which PAIRED with his technical skill would put him above them unless they have some feat or accolade I'm unaware of.
Who? Atris? Atris statlemated Brianna, who seemingly blitzed the Handmaidens(or at least bested them all) who are basically high-class fodder, with Echani Skill and super Pre-Cog.
I don't understand what you mean, tbh.
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Dec 4th, 2016 08:38 PM
UCanShootMyNova
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No. I mean exactly what I said.
I don't place Valkorion about Plagueis because of his status because he's NOT a Sith. Whether I would ignore the quote or not isn't relevant.
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Dec 4th, 2016 08:41 PM
UCanShootMyNova
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Ursumeles
Who? Atris? Atris statlemated Brianna, who seemingly blitzed the Handmaidens(or at least bested them all) who are basically high-class fodder, with Echani Skill and super Pre-Cog.
I don't understand what you mean, tbh.
And Kanan has blocked hundreds of blaster bolts and accomplished force feats far beyond either Atris or Brianna.
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Dec 4th, 2016 08:42 PM
Ursumeles
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
No. I mean exactly what I said.
I don't place Valkorion about Plagueis because of his status because he's NOT a Sith. Whether I would ignore the quote or not isn't relevant.
So...
We have a quote that puts Plaggy above any Sith before him.
Valkorion isn't a Sith, so he isn't included in the quote.
Because he isn't included, Plagueis > Valkorion.
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Dec 4th, 2016 08:47 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
But tbh putting a master above a knight simply because they outrank them doesn't fly.
Lol what? You appeared to have ignored the bit about them being among the most powerful and skilled of said masters. Top retardation there Syn. But yeah, the fact that Kanan has only received Padawan-level training is a valid mark against him.
Still looking for why he can compete tbh. The GI isn't a master of all seven forms, just skilled in them, Vrook and Atris were actual lightsaber virtuosos and masters of multiple styles, including Juyo. Kanan probably hasn't mastered any, and given his later performances against the Seventh Sis and Fifth Brother the GI feat is clearly an outlier.
But who cares anyway? They'd both one-shot him with the Force.
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Dec 4th, 2016 08:47 PM
Ursumeles
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And Kanan has blocked hundreds of blaster bolts and accomplished force feats far beyond either Atris or Brianna.
Cool speed feat.
Name me one.
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Dec 4th, 2016 08:47 PM
UCanShootMyNova
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Ursumeles
So...
We have a quote that puts Plaggy above any Sith before him.
Valkorion isn't a Sith, so he isn't included in the quote.
Because he isn't included, Plagueis > Valkorion.
No I never said that. I simply stated that because Valkorion isn't a Sith the quote has no bearing on who's above who.
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Dec 4th, 2016 08:56 PM
UCanShootMyNova
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Ursumeles
Cool speed feat.
Name me one.
Name you one what?
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Dec 4th, 2016 08:56 PM
UCanShootMyNova
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol what? You appeared to have ignored the bit about them being among the most powerful and skilled of said masters. Top retardation there Syn. But yeah, the fact that Kanan has only received Padawan-level training is a valid mark against him.
Still looking for why he can compete tbh. The GI isn't a master of all seven forms, just skilled in them, Vrook and Atris were actual lightsaber virtuosos and masters of multiple styles, including Juyo. Kanan probably hasn't mastered any, and given his later performances against the Seventh Sis and Fifth Brother the GI feat is clearly an outlier.
But who cares anyway? They'd both one-shot him with the Force.
And that means nothing without knowings the capabilities of the other Jedi of their day. Plo Koon was one of the most powerful Jedi in the history of the Order and Kanan still has Force feats that are superior to him.
Being skilled enough to recognize who the master who taught you was seems to indicate mastery to me. You can't reverse scale like that. The Seventh Siter and Fifth Brother's impressiveness is based off their feats and not their standing.
Given none of them have feats that even approach Kanan's that's highly doubtful.
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Dec 4th, 2016 08:58 PM
Ursumeles
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A feat that's better then Brainna besting ghe Handmaidens.
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Dec 4th, 2016 08:59 PM
Beniboybling
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And that means nothing without knowings the capabilities of the other Jedi of their day.
We do though...
quote: Plo Koon was one of the most powerful Jedi in the history of the Order and Kanan still has Force feats that are superior to him.
Koon >> Kanan lol.
quote: Being skilled enough to recognize who the master who taught you was seems to indicate mastery to me. You can't reverse scale like that. The Seventh Siter and Fifth Brother's impressiveness is based off their feats and not their standing.
That's knowledge not skill.
And if the GI > the Fifth Brother and the Seventh Sister, Kanan should be beating both of them.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Given none of them have feats that even approach Kanan's that's highly doubtful.
Kanan has no defense against Atris' Force lightning and nothing on incapacitating Meetra with a Force wave or putting her into stasis.
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Dec 4th, 2016 09:00 PM
Ursumeles
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
No I never said that. I simply stated that because Valkorion isn't a Sith the quote has no bearing on who's above who.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
No. I mean exactly what I said.
I don't place Valkorion about Plagueis because of his status because he's NOT a Sith. Whether I would ignore the quote or not isn't relevant.
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Dec 4th, 2016 09:01 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
We do though...
Koon >> Kanan lol.
That's knowledge not skill.
And if the GI > the Fifth Brother and the Seventh Sister, he should be beating both of them.
And the only ones who are worth a damn are already confirmed to be above them.
Name me a Force feat of Koon's that is better.
The 5th Brother and 7th Sister were only inferior prior to the GI's death and the gap between them is unknown.
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Dec 4th, 2016 09:03 PM
UCanShootMyNova
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Ursumeles
What's so confusing about this for you?
"I don't place Valkorion above Plagueis because of his status"
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Dec 4th, 2016 09:03 PM
Beniboybling
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See my edit regarding Force powers.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And the only ones who are worth a damn are already confirmed to be above them.
Yeah that's not what I was referring to, rather that the era has been described as possessing a body of highly skilled and experienced duelists, even more so than the PT era. So being among the best of that group has considerable worth yes.
quote: Name me a Force feat of Koon's that is better.
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Kind of what you'd expect from one of the most powerful Jedi in history.
quote: The 5th Brother and 7th Sister were only inferior prior to the GI's death and the gap between them is unknown.
And what proof is there they surpassed him?
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Dec 4th, 2016 09:31 PM
UCanShootMyNova
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
Kanan has no defense against Atris' Force lightning and nothing on incapacitating Meetra with a Force wave or putting her into stasis.
Of course he does. He has the speed with which to block it and his main form is Soresu which specialized in doing so.
Meetra at what stage in the game?
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Dec 4th, 2016 09:34 PM
Beniboybling
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Blocking Force lighting involves more than just raising your lightsaber, he actually has to know how to do it. And Soresu doesn't specialise in that at all lol.
And the end dear.
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Dec 4th, 2016 09:36 PM
UCanShootMyNova
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah that's not what I was referring to, rather that the era has been described as possessing a body of highly skilled and experienced duelists, even more so than the PT era. So being among the best of that group has considerable worth yes.
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Kind of what you'd expect from one of the most powerful Jedi in history.
And what proof is there they surpassed him?
You said the quote referred to their power. Not status as duelists.
He landed a push on Ventress. Kanan did the same to Vader with the help of Ezra.
I didn't sat they had. I just stated that their standing is based on their feats and performances against Kanan and not their former inferiority to the GI.
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Dec 4th, 2016 09:36 PM
UCanShootMyNova
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
Blocking Force lighting involves more than just raising your lightsaber lol, he actually has to know how to do it.
And the end dear.
Obi Wan blocked it despite having never encountered it prior so I really have no idea what you're referring to.
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Dec 4th, 2016 09:37 PM
Beniboybling
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Only because he saw it employed on Anakin first.
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