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Beniboybling
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So a constant stream of more than a couple of simultaneous bolts heading in slightly different directions...

Wow so like every Force lightning attack ever? Noted.


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Atris can use Storm, so it doesn't matter. Also, we know that you have to draw the Lightning into it, as per Beni's quote, and also Fatal Alliance, which had Chratis' Lightning jumping through Shigar's blade and into the hilt, destroying the lightsaber.

@Beni - Vrook froze her in the later stages of the game but she grows exponentially after that.

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So a constant stream of more than a couple of simultaneous bolts heading in slightly different directions...

Wow so like every Force lightning attack ever? Noted.


That would have hit him anyways*

Regardless as I mentioned he can simple dodge them as well.


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Atris can use Storm, so it doesn't matter. Also, we know that you have to draw the Lightning into it, as per Beni's quote, and also Fatal Alliance, which had Chratis' Lightning jumping through Shigar's blade and into the hilt, destroying the lightsaber.

@Beni - Vrook froze her in the later stages of the game but she grows exponentially after that.


Beni's quote simply shows Malgus doing it not that's it's a requirement to be blocked. Also, Thanaton was capable of blocking lightning yet Exal Kressh destroyed the hilt of his blade.


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It's cute when you throw shade at me but then get humiliated in threads like this smile

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Beni's quote simply shows Malgus doing it not that's it's a requirement to be blocked.


It does. It states that Malgus did it in order to block it (or rather, states it in place of "blocking the Lightning"). Otherwise, there's no reason for him to do it or even for the author to mention it, lol.

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Also, Thanaton was capable of blocking lightning yet Exal Kressh destroyed the hilt of his blade.


Right. So both Kressh and Chratis show that without doing it properly, you'll still be ****ed by the Lightning.

What was the proof for Kanan's dueling superiority again?

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What are you referring to?

Go back on the last page and read my response to Beni. I already offered a possible explanation for why Malgus would draw the lightning to his blade.

The characters who had their hilts destroyed had blocked lightning prior to that point meaning the hilt being destroyed was a result of Kressh/Chratis's actions and not a failiure to enact a certain procedure on the part of their opponents.

Defeating an opponent who is likely a master of the 7 forms, has greater height and reach and who possesses superior augmentation all before improving further over the course of S2 of Rebels.


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Btw, how's your debate against DB77 coming? smile


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That would have hit him anyways*

Regardless as I mentioned he can simple dodge them as well.
Or maybe he'll be as retarded and you and try and block it. laughing out loud


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Btw, how's your debate against DB77 coming? smile


Just fine. He's much more complacent now smile

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What are you referring to?

Go back on the last page and read my response to Beni. I already offered a possible explanation for why Malgus would draw the lightning to his blade.


To free up space to stop Lightning from flying everywhere? lol Since when has that even happened?

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The characters who had their hilts destroyed had blocked lightning prior to that point meaning the hilt being destroyed was a result of Kressh/Chratis's actions and not a failiure to enact a certain procedure on the part of their opponents.


No, the Lightning jumped into the hilts and destroyed them. Which is logically what happens when you don't keep it in the blade.

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Defeating an opponent who is likely a master of the 7 forms, has greater height and reach and who possesses superior augmentation all before improving further over the course of S2 of Rebels.


Kanan's performances against the Inquisitors later suggest that he isn't better than the GI, who he seems to have beaten in a PISy-moment of focus more than anything else.

Also, proof that the Inquisitor is a master of all forms? Not that it matters much, considering that Vrook and Atris are each more skilled than lightsaber virtuosos in an era of expert duelists.

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Or maybe he'll be as retarded and you and try and block it. laughing out loud


Is there some reason he couldn't that I'm unaware of?


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confused

Not sure whether to laugh or cry lmao.


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To free up space to stop Lightning from flying everywhere? lol Since when has that even happened?



No, the Lightning jumped into the hilts and destroyed them. Which is logically what happens when you don't keep it in the blade.



Kanan's performances against the Inquisitors later suggest that he isn't better than the GI, who he seems to have beaten in a PISy-moment of focus more than anything else.

Also, proof that the Inquisitor is a master of all forms? Not that it matters much, considering that Vrook and Atris are each more skilled than lightsaber virtuosos in an era of expert duelists.


Lightning flying everywhere? Pretty much any time Sidious uses FL.

If they'd managed to successfully block it before there's no reason they couldn't have done it again unless it was either a matter of being overpowered or a stray bolt managing to destroy the hilt.

We don't know what the existing gap was between the FB/SS and the GI. It could have been large or they could have been right on his tail. The Inquisitors were also improving throughout the show as well and seemed to hold impressive raw power themselves. It seems logical that they would have progressed at a faster rate given the GI had been trained to Knighthood by the Order prior to joining the Inquisitorius while the FB and SS did not.

He's confirmed to be skilled in all 7. I said he's LIKELY a master of all 7 given he's able to pick out someone's form, fighting style and master from a simple momentary engagement.


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confused

Not sure whether to laugh or cry lmao.


Do you have an actual argument here or are you just going to hide behind insults?


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If you're asking if I plan to continue this debate, nah, I've lost enough brain cells in this thread. smile


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Alright. Good luck with whatever you're going to do for the rest of the day Beni.


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I make my own luck, fuggot.


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sad


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Lightning flying everywhere? Pretty much any time Sidious uses FL.


I mean when a lightsaber blocks it, obviously. At most, the Lightning can go everywhere in front of the blade, not behind it (ie. when Morne deflected Krayt's Lightning). Which doesn't give a reason for why you would specifically draw the Lightning into the blade.

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If they'd managed to successfully block it before there's no reason they couldn't have done it again unless it was either a matter of being overpowered or a stray bolt managing to destroy the hilt.


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We don't know what the existing gap was between the FB/SS and the GI. It could have been large or they could have been right on his tail. The Inquisitors were also improving throughout the show as well and seemed to hold impressive raw power themselves. It seems logical that they would have progressed at a faster rate given the GI had been trained to Knighthood by the Order prior to joining the Inquisitorius while the FB and SS did not.


Well, the GI was superior to them all by a noticeable amount, so at most, they woul

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He's confirmed to be skilled in all 7. I said he's LIKELY a master of all 7 given he's able to pick out someone's form, fighting style and master from a simple momentary engagement.


Eh. Vrook and Atris are both better than Kavar, who's mastered Ataru, Shien, Niman and Juyo and is a lightsaber virtuoso in an age of expert lightsaber duelists. Kavar alone should be above the GI, never mind Vrook or Atris.

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As I said, to clear the field of space to the sides of him.

It's fine, but if you could report a finished version of that sentence in your next response I'd appreciate it.

I don't buy the logic that just because they were on Katarr when he wasn't, that they're better.


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1. When has Lightning ever gone around the sides of the person?

2. Don't remember what I saying. Probably that the Inquisitors are unlikely to have surpassed the GI. And certainly Kanan would've been constantly growing as well, since you're suggesting that in Season 1 alone he goes from losing badly to the GI to beating him convincingly. He would've certainly outpaced the Inquisitors in growth according to you, so there's no way they would've gone from being markedly inferior to outright challenging him.

What's more sensible is that Kanan had a one-off showing against the GI. That easily reconciles everything else.

3. I'm not using that, lmfao. I have no idea what being on Katarr has to do with lightsaber prowess. Also, Vrook wasn't on Katarr...

I'm referring to the TSL Prima Guide quote which says that the other Masters are more of lightsaber virtuosos than Kavar.

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