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Inedian
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Originally posted by carver9
I just watched episode 24 and 25 again and it was mentioned multiples of times that Blue>>>Red. You all probably want to re-look at that episode.


I don't know what's the fuss here. It's really quite obvious that Blue>Red.

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Agreed. It was outright said in both episodes that Blue is greater than red. Here is two of the times it was said...

https://youtu.be/w0RqtX8sXWI

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Yes, but the feats say otherwise IMO. You would have to insert a specific interpretation of SSB's feats so that he can match the same abilities shown explicitly by SSR.

If I wanted to be "right" I wouldn't have started this thread as I already said the official ranking is likely SSB > SSR. You aren't engaging the discussion in any meaningful way. Part of the discussion is that even though SSB > SSR, there are some points that are not adequately addressed / inconsistency of feats/power which you are seemingly blind to.

For example saying SSB has a healing factor/ability is literally forcing a feat in where it does not exist just so the whole story fits into the SSB>SSR ranking.

Does SSB have a healing ability? Did the writers forget (very likely)? Is there some other explanation? It seems you don't care other than saying SSB>SSR and that's all there is to it.

The other example is that clearly SSB Vegeta/Goku do not have universe-destroying level punches. You saying they are still trying to counter every one of their opponent's punches is so far fetched I doubt even you believe it. And there is the fact they obviously don't counter all the punches as sometimes they just get hit without trading blows.


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Blue >> Red is painted everywhere.


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Originally posted by Placidity
Yes, but the feats say otherwise IMO. You would have to insert a specific interpretation of SSB's feats so that he can match the same abilities shown explicitly by SSR.

If I wanted to be "right" I wouldn't have started this thread as I already said the official ranking is likely SSB > SSR. You aren't engaging the discussion in any meaningful way. Part of the discussion is that even though SSB > SSR, there are some points that are not adequately addressed / inconsistency of feats/power which you are seemingly blind to.

For example saying SSB has a healing factor/ability is literally forcing a feat in where it does not exist just so the whole story fits into the SSB>SSR ranking.

Does SSB have a healing ability? Did the writers forget (very likely)? Is there some other explanation? It seems you don't care other than saying SSB>SSR and that's all there is to it.

The other example is that clearly SSB Vegeta/Goku do not have universe-destroying level punches. You saying they are still trying to counter every one of their opponent's punches is so far fetched I doubt even you believe it. And there is the fact they obviously don't counter all the punches as sometimes they just get hit without trading blows.


Sigh. Collateral damage has never been an indication of who is more powerful between characters in DBZ. You might as well say Freiza is more powerful than Whis since Whis doesn't have a single destructive ft minus back chopping Beerus. Hell, do you also think Master Roshi is more powerful than the androids. He has busted a moon. They don't need to write every fight with the Universe being destroyed, we already have evidence they can do it.


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I understand what you are saying Plac. If red was stronger than blue it would clear up some plot holes. But now Potara is temporary so who gives two shits about plot holes anymore?

Super could have been the best thing ever with a few fact checks. But I will bet that Whis was stronger than merged Zamasu and Vegito just because the current writers (including Akira) can't seem to grasp the gravity of the potara power up.


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We already came to the conclusion that Blue is greater than Red so I won. smile


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Well Placidity, now we confirmation without a doubt that Blue>SSG.

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Originally posted by carver9
We already came to the conclusion that Blue is greater than Red so I won. smile


Yes, you do win not being able to think critically.

I already said SSB is officially stronger several times in this thread and others - so you added zero value. This thread was meant to be a discussion on the inconsistencies and possible interesting theories.

I guess your level of intellect doesn't go beyond "SSB > SSR", or "I won".

Me: Hey guys, I know SSB is officially stronger, but isn't it interesting that SSR is X, Y and Z?

Carver: SSB > SSR

Me: Yes, but that's not what I'm talking about. What about the detailed points I've raised?

Carver: SSB > SSR, I win.


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Yes, you do win not being able to think critically.

I already said SSB is officially stronger several times in this thread and others - so you added zero value. This thread was meant to be a discussion on the inconsistencies and possible interesting theories.

I guess your level of intellect doesn't go beyond "SSB > SSR", or "I won".

Me: Hey guys, I know SSB is officially stronger, but isn't it interesting that SSR is X, Y and Z?

Carver: SSB > SSR

Me: Yes, but that's not what I'm talking about. What about the detailed points I've raised?

Carver: SSB > SSR, I win.


Placidity thread starting post:

"I contend that SSR is actually much stronger than SSB. Note this is only my theory and I haven't really analysed it too much. I'll just list out some of the reasons why I think this is:

1.Most people (including me) accept that SSB Goku/Vegeta is currently no match for Beerus.

However, SSR Goku WAS a substantial fighter compared to Beerus. Why? "

I crushed this on the first page. Your intentions was to prove that Red is more powerful than Blue. That was debunked so anything else going on in this thread doesn't matter since again, your original post was to prove that Red is stronger than Blue.

I won.


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I crushed this on the first page. Your intentions was to prove that Red is more powerful than Blue. That was debunked so anything else going on in this thread doesn't matter since again, your original post was to prove that Red is stronger than Blue.

I won.


Why don't you quote the whole post in context?

Or parts like this:

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Originally posted by Placidity

Finally, this is just my opinion guys. Someone will probably point out the official explanation, but those don't always make sense to me. There are a lot less holes (or no holes) with this theory IMO. Consider this fan fiction if you will.


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If I wanted to be "right" I wouldn't have started this thread as I already said the official ranking is likely SSB > SSR. You aren't engaging the discussion in any meaningful way. Part of the discussion is that even though SSB > SSR, there are some points that are not adequately addressed / inconsistency of feats/power which you are seemingly blind to.


Seems pretty clear.

So is it because you are a lying, disingenuous imbecile or what? I don't see another explanation.

You didn't crush anything.

You brought up points why you thought SSB is stronger - points EVERYONE already knew, but somehow you think it makes you clever to point out the obvious. You never addressed any of my points nor did you have any other interest other than saying SSB is stronger.

The thing is I already knew you were too stupid to even understand what a discussion is, and you prove it here by claiming you "crushed it" and that "you won". Your intelligence is lower than average and you probably know it. You can't even grasp simple logic.


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I mean, the manga (and now the anime) kind of shits on your theory. SSR was and is not a substantial fighter compared to Beerus. And Goku/Vegeta can go SSR at will.


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I mean, the manga (and now the anime) kind of shits on your theory. SSR was and is not a substantial fighter compared to Beerus.


Considering what's been said in this thread so far, you've added nothing.

Not really interested unless you address the key points I've raised.

But I'm sure you knew SSR was weak compared to Beerus when BoG first came out.


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Why don't you quote the whole post in context?

Or parts like this:



and later:



Seems pretty clear.

So is it because you are a lying, disingenuous imbecile or what? I don't see another explanation.

You didn't crush anything.

You brought up points why you thought SSB is stronger - points EVERYONE already knew, but somehow you think it makes you clever to point out the obvious. You never addressed any of my points nor did you have any other interest other than saying SSB is stronger.

The thing is I already knew you were too stupid to even understand what a discussion is, and you prove it here by claiming you "crushed it" and that "you won". Your intelligence is lower than average and you probably know it. You can't even grasp simple logic.


Lol...so being so aggressive. It's not like bashing makes your posts more relevant. I don't understand why you quoted your previous posts. It changes nothing about what I or you said. The intentions of this thread was to prove that Red was/is stronger than Blue and that was a fail.

You're throwing off fts in an environment that consist of power scaling. We both know Dragonball doesn't work like that. It's like saying Frieza is more powerful than mystic Gohan since Frieza durability and power output showings are greater. When we apply a little bit of common sense, we KNOW Gohan wins in all categories.

So again, during the first page of this, I won. This thread should be closed tbh.


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Blue>Red.

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Can anyone explain why red was able to go toe to toe with beerus. But SSB Vegeta got shlapped by Beerus in the Magna?


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Can anyone explain why red was able to go toe to toe with beerus. But SSB Vegeta got shlapped by Beerus in the Magna?


He never could... it was just that Beerus saw in SSR Goku an entertainment after a long time and was having fun and in episode 14 Whis said that Beerus was always teasing Goku that Beerus was going all out, just to motivate SSR Goku.

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Can anyone explain why red was able to go toe to toe with beerus. But SSB Vegeta got shlapped by Beerus in the Magna?


Perhaps Beerus' been working out.

Or he was just toying with Goku then.


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