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Understanding Telekinesis and Force barriers
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DarthAnt66
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Warning Understanding Telekinesis and Force barriers

There are two different kinds of Force barrier. A Greater Force Shield and the Lesser Force Shield.

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The Lesser Force Shield is something that is always up, but "is not particularly strong." The Lesser Force Shield would be the defense against an attack that happens faster than a Force-user can react to. This attack likewise protects Force-users from significant falls. If the text does not specify that a barrier was broken in an attack, then it can be assumed that merely the Lesser Force Shield was overcame. If so, then this is *not* a definitive indication of superiority. Inferior Force users can break the Lesser Force Shield of vastly greater Force users (ex. a Shadow Guard pushing Galen Marek). Also, sometimes an attack will take place so quickly that the Force user has no time to put up a Force barrier. An example of this is Dooku's discarding of Obi-Wan Kenobi in the Episode III junior novelization, in which Dooku would have only dominated the Lesser Force Shield.

However, if the text does specify that a barrier is broken, then it would be the Greater Force Shield. The Greater Force Shield is something the Force-user has to put up before the attack happens. The Greater Force Shield should be taken as a indicator of the Force user's strength in the Force, and thus, breaking the Greater Force Shield is blatant indication of superiority. However, where it gets blurry is instinctual Force shields, which are generally only see in the Darth Bane trilogy. Instinctual Force shields should be perceived as weak Greater Force Shields. The distinction is evident between them and Lesser Force Shields, but the fact it was put up instinctively suggests it wouldn't reflect the power of a Greater Force Shield if manually put up. A member cannot assume that one broke through an instinctual Force shield without the text specifically stating as much. Like I said, if the text fails to specify, then it should be assumed merely the Lesser Force Shield was broken.

Understanding how Force barriers work is essential to debating. If the energy of the Force shield is greater than that of the energy of the attack, then the attack will be resisted. However, resisting an attack may still leave you vulnerable to the kinetic energy that likewise travels with the Force energy. If the energy of the attack is greater, then the Force shield will negate as much of the energy as the Force shield yields, and then the rest will be what actually influences the individual. Once an individual is in a state of telekinetic domination, the only way to actually break free would be to unleash the energy contained within his or her body outward, in which that energy would then have to be greater than whatever energy is incapacitating them. The longer the Force-user is in a state of telekinetic domination, the more impressive the feat is. An example of this is Darth Bane escaping Farfalla's Force stasis and the coalition strike team escaping Revan's Force Destruction. However, a Greater Force Shield cannot be instituted by a individual being telekinetically incapacitated - it can only be thrown up before the attack hits.

NOTE: Force choke is a specific telekinetic attack that is a minor exception to the rule that defending telekinesis a foremost dependent on power. As established in Dark Empire, resisting it takes both power and *mastery*. Thus, even if you are significantly more powerful than your dark-side opponent, you might still be overpowered by their Force choke if you are not properly trained in resisting it.


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First non shit thread from you in a while. Nice work.


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First non ahit thread from you in a while. Nice work.


Need to work on those burns, Syn.

Great thread anyway. Answers a lot of questions.


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Yet another non-shit thread. Nice work.

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Re: Understanding Telekinesis and Force barriers

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NOTE: Force choke is a specific telekinetic attack that is a minor exception to the rule that defending telekinesis a foremost dependent on power. As established in Dark Empire, resisting it takes both power and *mastery*.


Or, alternatively, Luke just didn't even know how to throw up a proper Force barrier pre-DE.

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I started a thread weeks ago questioning this topic, but ended up not getting too much discussion. Very nice info sharing.

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Re: Re: Understanding Telekinesis and Force barriers

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Or, alternatively, Luke just didn't even know how to throw up a proper Force barrier pre-DE.


He knew that as far back as ESB.


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Most of this seems made up.


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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Most of this seems made up.


Looks like fanon interpretation, yeah.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Most of this seems made up.


Ironic considering all your theories on your blog.


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laughing out loud


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Ironic considering all your theories on your blog.
My theories are supported by facts thanks.

However, I never presented them as debating essentials, lmao.


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My theories are supported by facts thanks.


Plenty of this has textual basis as well, it's just not cited. That being said--

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However, I never presented them as debating essentials, lmao.


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DarthAnt66
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I'm considering making a part two of this for Canon.


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Shatterpoint establishes that younglings are taught how to counter force choke btw

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm considering making a part two of this for Canon.


Anyone can basically dominate anyone as everyone is defenseless unless they gesture?

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Shatterpoint establishes that younglings are taught how to counter force choke btw

"Force Kinesis" which is not the same as a force choke. The latter is far more deadly because try countering a force attack when you are seeing stars and your oxygen supply itself is blocked. No, countering choke takes far more mastery than that. And anyways, the Jedi wouldn't have taught such an advanced skill to ******* younglings, given that DE Luke says that it is difficult to counter.

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