Well good. Not that they are not competing they might actually make good films like for example Sony is doing and like Fox has done on the last few years. Sony and Fox were never trying to catch up to Marvel.
I mean None of that matters if they can not make good films.
No one was fed up of too much Batman during the Chris Nolan films. And Green Lantern was neither Superman or Batman but flopped hard and is universally recognised as a terrible Comic Book film.
The main problem always was trying too hard to catch up with Marvel, which thankfully they have stopped trying to do.
The other main problem was handing wayyyy too much to Snyder without Snyder having really proven anything except making divisive and moderately profitable films. Why you would hand your whole slate to someone with that track record just boggles my mind.
They want different results to the TDK trilogy? Or the Donner Superman? Lol
That said its good for WB to concentrate on trying to make good superhero films without reliance on a big name.
Just remember they switched to loads of Batman/Superman after Green Lantern flopped. So its not the first time theyve panicked and switched strategies.
Ultimate though they need to learn that only GOOD movies will bring success, not choice of characters. Just ask Feige.
Dude, those films worked then not now. Nolan is not doing any more Batman films. Donner, nope. MCU was built on lesser known heroes not the same old Spider-Man centric biggest name of the marvel block despite their success. No X-men either and now look at them.
WW worked Aquaman will work. People are sick of Batman and Superman. No huge cry for more. Work on lesser known characters make them good and realize there is much more to offer from the dc catalog than just those two boobs.
Disagree on the "people are sick of Batman and Superman", make really good films with great casting choices with those characters and the crowds will come.
eg Ironman has been in seven films in the last 10 years, that is over-saturation, but he's still very popular because the casting was nigh perfect and the majority of the films with IM are good films.
Great films is what everyone wants regardless of the brand but the demand is not there for Batman or Superman. Great films are not easy to pull off otherwise the MCU would not be the rare diamond it is. It is hard to keep people interested while pumping out films in a short span. Even Star Wars failed here. The brand and trust is there for the MCU so a below average film does not stain the brand due to the gems associated with the brand.
Nolan Batman was only a few years back lol. And helped to boost the demand for comic book movies today.
They were attempting to start up on new heroes years ago with GL. Didnt work, so they doubled down on Batman and Superman. Now thats not worked but because Wonder Woman did they are going back to their original plan, except doubling down on Female centric films.
Only GOOD films and GOOD franchises will work. People are fed up of BAD superhero movies/franchises, not specific characters.
With your line of thinking they never would have given Nolan a chance on Batman after Batman & Robin. Or never would have tried Smallville after Superman 3&4.
Nolan is not directing any more so you cannot replicate then with anyone else. That was my point.
Point is it is easier to sell lesser knowns on a good film than to try to rebuild damaged brands. I like their strategy and Superman only had two hits if we are being honest with 1 and 2. Batman was always their biggest cash cow but super hero films are all over the place and the game has changed. Way too competitive now to just throw something together with a Batman label. The general public are not comic fans so since that strategy failed it is wise to try something new.
I told you they should not reboot. I will be right again.
Again, disagree. Superman and Batman are both in demand, the fact that even shitty films of theirs still turn some profit in today's over-saturated superhero films shows that.
WB's error was in hiring the wrong director(biggest error here) and putting the horse before the cart so to speak. They should have given us a sequel to MoS, they should have given Batfleck his own film first, then Wonder Woman and then gone with BvS, but completely redone it. No shitty casting for Luthor, no shitty Luthor HIV-blood Doomsday.
They didn't, so here we have a lackluster franchise, with actors that don't want the roles and with Wonder Woman being the only real hit so far.
The Director is the most important part of any film imo and I agree the movies were not good but there are plenty who loved man of steel. I just fail to see it performing. It was sub 700 million and to underperform to an ok at best Venom I think it is a change in the times.
Batman was the big draw but Batman v. Superman hurt somewhat which led to the Jls downfall but that movie was rushed out to the public as a true Frankensteins monster of two directors. Batman is not dead in the water by any means I just like the approach to give other lesser knowns the green light the general audience is less familiar with is the smarter play. If the MCU had X-men rights at the time we might never have gotten the gotg. In todays social media centric world iron man can come out of nowhere and defeat two icons himself. I personally detest Superman but I do admit he is an icon but it has been years since his films just brought home the bacon at the box office. Batman is a much safer and more popular character that banks at the box office than Superman is imo.
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Exactly. Theyve done this before switching tactics AWAY from lesser known heroes after Green Lantern flopped, doubling down on Batman and Superman. And now that Justice League has flopped they are going back to their original plan.
Fact is Snyder was a terrible choice to make and direct Batman and Superman and Justice League. Just like Green Lantern was a terrible movie.
Good movies will do well. A name like Batman/Superman would only help.
All That said I think its good for WB/DC to just try and make good superhero movies for a while WITHOUT Relying on those big names.
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