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Tenebrous and Plagueis vs Revan and Novel Vitiate
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Tenebrous run fast and blocked a explosion.

I think we both know Revan can't compete with that. (please log in to view the image)

You have Bane extremely high, and Tenebrous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bane


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Why? The only basis for Plaguies > Vitiate is the quote.

The quote is Legends canon, tho. LMFAO
Also, Plagueis being vastly superior to Bane, and being equal to TPM Sidious.


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Right, but the quote just means Plagueis >= Vitiate.

No basis he beats Vitiate fast (or faster than Revan's one-shot of Tene).


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You have Bane extremely high, and Tenebrous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bane


Can you make an argument for how, specifically, Tenebrous defeats Revan? Because I'm not really seeing anything that gives him a shot in terms of his abilities and feats.


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Also, the fact Plaguies is more powerful than Vitiate doesn't mean that Vitiate's mastery and experience with dark side lore can't overcome a ever so slightly more powerful opponent.


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but bane is stated to be more powerful than vitiate in a source and plaguies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bane tho

sources are more important than facts dumbass


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tru fug

vitiate can't handle tene's rock lifting

eating planets not good enugh


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I warned you about the ground realities, man.

I told you, dog.


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Can you make an argument for how, specifically, Tenebrous defeats Revan? Because I'm not really seeing anything that gives him a shot in terms of his abilities and feats.

He is faster, an more powerful combatant and probably more powerful in the Force. His Barrier should be able to defend himself against all what Revan throws at him.

@Ant Plgueis is more powerful by a fair marigin. He is more powerful than SWTOR Vitiate, who should be above Novel! Vitiate by a quite a bit. Also, Plagueis edge in CQC is better than a possible edge of Vitiate in Dark Side Mastery. Experience don't gives Vitiate an edge at all, lol.


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Neph, let me take this one when I get home. ^

It's juicy.


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sources are more important than facts dumbass

Lol wut.
Plagueis being stated to be above Vitiate is a fact.


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Neph, let me take this one when I get home. ^

It's juicy.

I don't want to debte Tene vs Revan, lol. It is so hard to argue for this f8.


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Too l8.

You are in the shit now.


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I don't want to debte Tene vs Revan, lol. It is so hard to argue for this f8.


BUT BUT REVAN RAGDOLLED DARTH MARR AND SATELE SHAN!!!1111!

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BUT BUT REVAN RAGDOLLED DARTH MARR AND SATELE SHAN!!!1111!

And Vitiate pwned him (on a DS NExus, that 4,000 years later influenced even ****in Luke)! VITIATE >>>> SIDIOUS
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Do you want to debate for 'Brous the untouchable?


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Honestly Tene's barrier feat is probably lesser than what Taris!Barsen'thor can do. Let alone the likes of Revan, or even Jadus. Not sure why it's hyped so much.


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Because it is from a author that doesn't give characters OP feats like TOR does with everyone?
What has 'Thor done that's better?


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He is faster,

Why? Because he ran slightly faster than a vastly pre-prime Darth Plagueis?

What feats from such incarnation of Darth Plagueis suggests that he's faster than Revan, who's battling seven individuals, with grenades, blaster fire, rockets, Force lightning, telekinetic shoves, and lightsaber attacks being thrown at any angle? And even if we throw all logic or feats out the window, Revan has teleportation and battle precognition, so his reflexes will register fast enough to counter a being of slightly superior speed, and if pressed, can teleport away. This advantage, which I practically bring up in every Revan discussion, is primarily only relevant against opponents who may actually be faster than Revan. In the case of Darth Tenebrous, he's not, so this just further solidifies Revan's already-vast superiority.

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an more powerful combatant


Because... reasons?

A feat or hype comparison marks Revan has the superior.

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and probably more powerful in the Force.


Same as the above.

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His Barrier should be able to defend himself against all what Revan throws at him.


What? Take Cade Skywalker for example. He demonstrated a comparable yet superior barrier feat than Darth Tenebrous.

Would you wager Cade Skywalker can thus defend against Revan's telekinesis, Force drain, Force lightning, telepathy, etc?

No.

Fact of the matter is, Revan ragdolling the coalition strike team is beyond the defensive capabilities of Darth Tenebrous.

There's also no reason to believe that Darth Tenebrous can defend himself against Revan's telepathy or his other esoteric powers.

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@Ant Plgueis is more powerful by a fair marigin. He is more powerful than SWTOR Vitiate, who should be above Novel! Vitiate by a quite a bit. Also, Plagueis edge in CQC is better than a possible edge of Vitiate in Dark Side Mastery. Experience don't gives Vitiate an edge at all, lol.


"A possible edge of Vitiate in Dark Side Mastery"?

I feel people fail to grasp that Vitiate literally sat in a room for over one-thousand years honing and mastering his dark side abilities after consuming the power of eight-thousand of the galaxy's "most powerful" Sith Lords. Thus, Vitiate would be capable of wielding his power to the absolute maximum efficiency. Take Kyp Durron for example: almost unparalleled power, but lacks the mastery to use it effectively in combat. But Vitiate? That's his specialty.

And to address the other points, Revan's edge in CQC was irrelevant in battle against Vitiate - I fail to see how Darth Plagueis, who is inferior dueling accomplishments and acclaim than Revan, would then do better. Also, the gap between Vitiate in Revan to SWTOR is unquantifiable to the extent that I'm not even sure he grew more powerful - just diverted his resources and became more masterful in the art of Essence Transfer and telepathy. So, your blind speculation that since Plagueis is ever so slightly greater than Vitiate, that he must be capable of besting novel Vitiate faster than Revan can *dominate* Tenebrous is absurd.


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Because it is from a author that doesn't give characters OP feats like TOR does with everyone?
What has 'Thor done that's better?
Casually smashed through a giant blast door like it's made of paper, while weakened? A blast door designed to contain explosions just like the one Tenebrous blocked? And is like the size of a house and a meter thick?

But even if you somehow think that's less impressive than blocking the tailend of an explosion after running away from it for a while, 'Thor also smashed through a Rakatan vault door deemed impenetrable. In the same game that casually has mountain-busting bombs.

And then there's Jadus' feat of protecting the Dominator from being incinerated. And Revan tanking the backlash of an attack that would decimate a kilometer wide area. And y'know, Vitiate wiping out planets.

Needless to say, Tenebrous is kind of out of his depth.


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And Vitiate pwned him (on a DS NExus, that 4,000 years later influenced even ****in Luke)! VITIATE >>>> SIDIOUS
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Do you want to debate for 'Brous the untouchable?


I may. I'm just formating my HD and backing up relevant junk.

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