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Cap loses basically every time. No equipment hurts Cap way more than Wolverine.

Two expert martial artists fight hand-to-hand, but one has a healing factor. Do the math.


That's what I was saying, yup thumb up


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Cap loses basically every time. Two expert martial artists fight. One has a healing factor. Do the math.


Logan's HF has it's limits, though. And Cap hits harder, and "should" hit more often.

He's considered the pinnacle of h2h combat, after all, above even the likes of Shang Chi and Iron Fist (I don't buy that, but it's how he's portrayed.)

Cap in pure h2h against anyone at the street/meta level usually = auto win for Cap.


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Cap hits harder? Prove it.

Pinnacle of h2h combat that has been bested before (by Moondragon, for example) and downgraded to 6/7 in handbooks? shifty

Wolverine was shown to be above Chi and Fist, too.

Auto win against a guy who heals from Hulk-lv punches even when missing his adamantium? Cap's missing his armor&shield here, while Logan retains the hf and super durable skeleton.


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When has Wolverine defeated IF?

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In their sparring in New Avengers.

You don't want to count that, then we cannnot count Steve/Chi sparring either, then. And that one made both of them look like equals, actually, instead of what cdtm is suggesting.


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No adamantium at all including skeleton. Wolverine was suppose to have Spider-Man level agility I read but also created to fight Hulk? Cap has a healing factor just not Wolverine level hf. Wolverine also has 100+ years of combat experience.


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Cap's "hf" is not even near as battlefield-efficient as Wolverine's. He needs time to recover, time and rest. Like the Punisher or Spider-Man or even Cage.

Wolverine's skeleton is super-durable even w/o adamantium.

Yeah, his agility was great enough for him to imitate Beast...


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Still Cap.


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In their sparring in New Avengers.

You don't want to count that, then we cannnot count Steve/Chi sparring either, then. And that one made both of them look like equals, actually, instead of what cdtm is suggesting.


Sparring matches don't count.

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Sparring matches don't count.


Cool. Then like I said, we can't really say Cap is superior to Chi since he never actually fought him.

You're lost here.

So, Logan has 1 victory over Shang. Cap has 0. Logan has 1 stalemate vs Fist and so does Cap (although IF wasn't at his best when he dueled Cap).


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Cap hits harder? Prove it.



Spidey called Cap's punch like an atom bomb when he caught one. High praise, considering Spidey's rogues of double digit multi tonners and up.

US Agent is, what, a 15 tonner himself? And still got taken by 1 tonner Cap.

Cap's punches have been enough to take Rhino, Mr. Hyde, Wrecking Crew. On average, he's always slugged above the street tier, being a "peak of human perfection" super soldier and all. Hell, even the rigged by fan vote Marvel vs DC made it crystal clear Batman's blows were like little jabs compared to Cap's haymakers..


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Cool. Then like I said, we can't really say Cap is superior to Chi since he never actually fought him.

You're lost here.

So, Logan has 1 victory over Shang. Cap has 0. Logan has 1 stalemate vs Fist and so does Cap (although IF wasn't at his best when he dueled Cap).


Well, they did spar (Secret Avengers) and didn't Cap look superior? stick out tongue

I know, I know.

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Spidey called Cap's punch like an atom bomb when he caught one. High praise, considering Spidey's rogues of double digit multi tonners and up.

US Agent is, what, a 15 tonner himself? And still got taken by 1 tonner Cap.

Cap's punches have been enough to take Rhino and Mr. Hyde. On average, he's always slugged above the street tier, being a "peak of human perfection" super soldier and all. Hell, even the rigged by fan vote Marvel vs DC made it crystal clear Batman's blows were like little jabs compared to Cap's haymakers..


And Wolverine's pimp slap sent Spidey flying and hitting a wall stick out tongue

Agent is Class 10. Always has been.

Logan's punches have taken out Roughouse a few times.

Really (cap/bat)? Because it seemed like they were equals, if anything.


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Well, they did spar (Secret Avengers) and didn't Cap look superior? stick out tongue

I know, I know.


No, he didn't.

We have Shang-Chi knocking him on his ass and letting him get up. And then Cap doing the same thing. 1:1.


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No, he didn't.

We have Shang-Chi knocking him on his ass and letting him get up. And then Cap doing the same thing. 1:1.


Shang was the one on his butt.

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My bad, I saw what you meant. Yeah, 1:1

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Shang was the one on his butt.


In round 2.

In round 1, Cap was on his butt. You'd know that if you read Marvel.


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