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Captain America vs Wolverine
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My bad, I saw what you meant. Yeah, 1:1


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In round 2.

In round 1, Cap was on his butt. You'd know that if you read Marvel.


Just posted before you. stick out tongue

Anyway, I guess that makes Bronze Tiger's feat pretty impressive, since he got Batman in a lock.

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Cap in pure h2h against anyone at the street/meta level usually = auto win for Cap.

A strong healing factor is the auto-win in street h2h tbh. It's the whole "we're trading blows but I can heal from missile strikes" factor. It makes the skill argument moot. Even if Wolverine was a notch below, his opponent would have to land 10 punches for every one he lands. It's just not happening with same tier stats.

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A strong healing factor is the auto-win in street h2h tbh. It's the whole "we're trading blows but I can heal from missile strikes" factor. It makes the skill argument moot. Even if Wolverine was a notch below, his opponent would have to land 10 punches for every one he lands. It's just not happening.


Well, like certain Wolverine fans claimed (Maybe Galan? I forget..) it's all about overloading the hf with mounting damage.

Otherwise, Logan could never be beaten in h2h. Obviously, he has, so it must be equally possible for him to take a Hulk shot but still lose to Mr. X (And his very base level gang.)

And Captain America is known for his relentlessness.


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Mr. X, due to hax, can actually land all of his hits without Wolverine hitting him back.

Steve can't.

Mr. X also had a small army dealing damage to Wolverine in multiple skirmishes throughout the day.

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Well, like certain Wolverine fans claimed (Maybe Galan? I forget..) it's all about overloading the hf with mounting damage.


Galan hated Wolverine from the start. How is he a Wolverine fan, cd? Stop doing this shit. We're all veterans here, making up stuff will NOT work.


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Otherwise, Logan could never be beaten in h2h. Obviously, he has, so it must be equally possible for him to take a Hulk shot but still lose to Mr. X (And his very base level gang.)


Mr X? Like that time when Logan fought his army, after 25 beers and countless smokes? wink

Imagine me or you on the weekend, trying to fight a group of some stereotype geek guys. Wolverine did the equivalent in dozens, ending up with a master martial artist w/ tp as the boss.


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But yes, the cumulative damage is the one way to take him out... too bad, Cap can't quite replicate the Mister X scenario.

And if you want to be nitpicking so hard, let's nitpick the shit out of your Rhino (plot device) or Hyde (weakened) examples, too.


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But yes, the cumulative damage is the one way to take him out... too bad, Cap can't quite replicate the Mister X scenario.

And if you want to be nitpicking so hard, let's nitpick the shit out of your Rhino (plot device) or Hyde (weakened) examples, too.


IMO Shang should beat Cap, so not going down that road. You know how Cap is like Marvel's walking Bat kick. wink

The crew was weakened?


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IMO Shang should beat Cap, so not going down that road.


Okay.

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You know how Cap is like Marvel's walking Bat kick. wink


Cap's kick is good, but Wolverkick is not too bad, either. Having worked on Steve three times, at least.

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The crew was weakened?


IF was weakened when he faced Cap. Tired and coud barely muster 1 if hit.

As for Crew, we can start with the power-sharing shit, meaning Wrecker lending his power to others, but that's another story. And inconsistent one.


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Hasn't wolvie beaten cap before?

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Hasn't wolvie beaten cap before?


They both have wins over each other.

Logan's most solid win is probably when Cap tried using the Muramasa sword on him, which nullifies his healing factor. Cap squeezed his wrists just as he was popping his claws, keeping him from using them.

But not before Logan somehow mutilated his legs without Cap noticing. Made him form a blood clot and faint, a good strategy (Never would have worked with Iron Fist though, since he can chi heal. wink )


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Well two highly skilled fighters
One is physically superior and can heal rapidly

No contest really

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They both have wins over each other.


Nope, Cap doesn't have a legit win.


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Nope, Cap doesn't have a legit win.


The Daniel Way beatdown wasn't legit? Only seen scans, I'll admit.

Well, if that's true it only makes Deadpools legit win over Logan even better. (Seriously, the time he pumped Logan up with enough poison to fell a dinosaur was totally legit.)

It's like he has a personal "anti-icon" field or something. smile


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The Daniel Way beatdown wasn't legit? Only seen scans, I'll admit.

Well, if that's true it only makes Deadpools legit win over Logan even better. (Seriously, the time he pumped Logan up with enough poison to fell a dinosaur was totally legit.)

It's like he has a personal "anti-icon" field or something. smile


Wasn't, because Wolverine admits himself his heart wasn't in it. Serving f*cking Zemo really wasn't his thing. That's exactly why he spared Bucky and didn't tell Zemo about him.


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seems in this scenario the HF would be tough to overcome. not sure cap is actually capable of burning it out in this type of fight..... hard not to see logan winning almost every time. /shrug

and galan is a classic logan hater. everyone knows that's why he switched to being a cosmic guy. thumb up


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seems in this scenario the HF would be tough to overcome. not sure cap is actually capable of burning it out in this type of fight..... hard not to see logan winning almost every time. /shrug

and galan is a classic logan hater. everyone knows that's why he switched to being a cosmic guy. thumb up


Huh, didn't know that about him.

Probably wasn't even him, though. The guy who mentioned "overload the hf" was usually arguing FOR the midget.

A lot of Wolverine fans have come and gone since..


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pfft, you kidding? mention logan around galan and he loses his sh!t. classic hater that guy. thumb up


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Cdtm doesn't really know us. False kmcer.

We must think of some good punishment for him. Sharing the same cell with brucie in Sin's dungeon, perhaps?


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