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Revan vs KOTOR II Exile, Traya, 20 elite Sith, Dooku, Angral and Atton Rand
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Revan's ability to contend and barely lose TWICE to two separate strike teams that consisted of the most powerful individuals in the galaxy is likely his best feat tbcfh.


Would disagree.


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The fact that he inflicts no damage on any of them, not even the non-Force sensitives, suggests that he wasn't actually contending with them in offensive output as well, or at most was just hurling them without inflicting any permanent injury.

Vaylin herself didn't inflict any damage on Theran Shan, and yet absolutely raped Arcann and Senya in offensive Force output, lmfao.

The fact they're non-Force sensitives isn't relevant considering energy shields.


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On an immensely powerful nexus, with Dooku, Exile and Traya being stronger than the protag, Marr and Satele, and the others being non-Force sensitives that should've been killed off immediately but were instead unharmed?

It's likely that Revan just made it extremely hard for them to kill him with defensive powers, teleporting etc. The fact that he inflicts no damage on any of them, not even the non-Force sensitives, suggests that he wasn't actually contending with them in offensive output as well, or at most was just hurling them without inflicting any permanent injury.


A nexus that would amp Nox, Marr and Lana Beniko too, if you want to put it that way. Not including Satele's Battle Meditation.

Plus you're ignoring that he had just fought the first protag led strike team, whilst he'd been expending power trying to activate the Temple of Sacrifice.

Oh and the actual dialogue during the battle has Marr, Lana and Satele strongly indicating they were losing the fight. It was a very hard fought victory.


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Vaylin herself didn't inflict any damage on Theran Shan, and yet absolutely raped Arcann and Senya in offensive Force output, lmfao.

The fact they're non-Force sensitives isn't relevant considering energy shields.


She raped them by catching them off-guard with a sudden burst of energy that was clearly well above the norm they were expecting since she was enraged.

Did they all have energy shields? How powerful are they? Energy shields don't really stop you from snapping their neck or anything, but I suppose Revan never had a chance to do that, which only suggests that he was on the defensive.

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They were clearly not caught off-guard when Valkorion spends about ten seconds telling them all she is still a threat, and 'instinctive barriers' are a thing in SWTOR unless you've forgotten.


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A nexus that would amp Nox, Marr and Lana Beniko too, if you want to put it that way. Not including Satele's Battle Meditation.

Plus you're ignoring that he had just fought the first protag led strike team, whilst he'd been expending power trying to activate the Temple of Sacrifice.

Oh and the actual dialogue during the battle has Marr, Lana and Satele strongly indicating they were losing the fight. It was a very hard fought victory.


Satele's Battle Meditation is reduced by the nexus. Marr and Beniko together are still below Tyranus, lmfao. The rest of this team here shit on the remaining members of the Coalition.

Words of encouragement don't mean that they were losing. If you were equally matched, or even holding the slight edge and wanting a more conclusive win, you'd say the same.

As for him having just fought a battle, sure, but even Tyranus can wash away immense fatigue in an instant.

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Would disagree.
I wouldn't. I think the Coalition strike teams he fought could have beaten Novel Vitiate, seeing as how that version of Vitiate is 300 years weaker. Though I'll admit it's arguable which of the two feats is his best.

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They were clearly not caught off-guard when Valkorion spends about ten seconds telling them all she is still a threat, and 'instinctive barriers' are a thing in SWTOR unless you've forgotten.


Instinctive barriers are always a thing and don't stop you from being caught off-guard.

Valkorion telling them that she's a threat doesn't prepare them for her unleashing far, far more power than she had in the earlier fight.

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She raped them by catching them off-guard with a sudden burst of energy that was clearly well above the norm they were expecting since she was enraged.

Did they all have energy shields? How powerful are they? Energy shields don't really stop you from snapping their neck or anything, but I suppose Revan never had a chance to do that.

For one, there's no indication they were taken off-guard. While the animation didn't have them defending themselves, they were looking at Vaylin and Valkorion made clear she was still a threat. Secondly, they still have Lesser Force Shields - the Force barrier in question for almost most of the telekinetic feats against Force-users you praise. And perhaps most importantly, Vaylin's Force energy began to crack the walls of the Alliance Commander Center itself, and yet Theron Shan survived all of this without any notable injury. Note that Vaylin is using more power here than she did when she killed a dozen Zakuul Knights, Thus, it's apparent that you stating that, since the non-Force sensitives survived, Revan couldn't have also been hurting them offensively (which he did, since he ragdolled them all, remember?) is not only wrong, but disgusting.

Yes. Theron Shan has Shield Probes which he can use to shield friendly targets. He also has Portable Cover shields and Scrambling Fields. Allies can go within these energy bubbles to likewise be protected from Revan. Also, researching Theron Shan's abilities against Revan, I found he also called in XS Freighter Flyby's, which fired at Revan. The XS Freighter is armed with two laser cannons and missile batteries. That's another threat Revan has to deal with here.


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Satele's Battle Meditation is reduced by the nexus. Marr and Beniko together are still below Tyranus, lmfao. The rest of this team here shit on the remaining members of the Coalition.

Words of encouragement don't mean that they were losing. If you were equally matched, or even holding the slight edge and wanting a more conclusive win, you'd say the same.

As for him having just fought a battle, sure, but even Tyranus can wash away immense fatigue in an instant.


It's stated to be the only thing keeping them in the fight.

Dooku's more powerful than Marr? Arguably. Marr speedblitzed Lachris, stomped Thanaton's master and was stated to be second to none in the Empire. You can say Dooku has better feats but nowhere near to the extent you're claiming.

They're literally saying he's too powerful for them to defeat.

He just lost a very close battle against sixteen of the most powerful Jedi and Sith heroes in the galaxy, including somebody as powerful as Darth Nox. Calling that 'fatigue' is a laughable understatement. He was also busy empowering a weapon that would kill everything in a multi-kilometer radius.


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To add on to my point, Jakarro is also armed with Reactive Shields.


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For one, there's no indication they were taken off-guard. While the animation didn't have them defending themselves, they were looking at Vaylin and Valkorion made clear she was still a threat.
Secondly, they still have Lesser Force Shields - the Force barrier in question for almost most of the telekinetic feats against Force-users you praise.


lol So if you're looking at someone, that means you're guard is up? Evidently not the case against Malgus, lol.

And yes, they knew she was a threat, but they weren't prepared for the unprecedented amount of power that she unleashed - instinctive Force defenses or not.

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And perhaps most importantly, Vaylin's Force energy began to crack the walls of the Alliance Commander Center itself, and yet Theron Shan survived all of this without any notable injury.


Where was Theron when the shockwave hit him?

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Thus, it's apparent that you stating that, since the non-Force sensitives survived, Revan couldn't have also been hurting them offensively (which he did, since he ragdolled them all, remember?) is not only wrong, but disgusting.


laughing out loud laughing out loud

He did, and they were completely unharmed despite Revan being amped and them not having any visible energy shields active.

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Yes. Theron Shan has Shield Probes which he can use to shield friendly targets. He also has Portable Cover shields and Scrambling Fields. Allies can go within these energy bubbles to likewise be protected from Revan. Also, researching Theron Shan's abilities against Revan, I found he also called in XS Freighter Flyby's, which fired at Revan. The XS Freighter is armed with two laser cannons and missile batteries. That's another threat Revan has to deal with here.


I love these game mechanics, lol.

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It's stated to be the only thing keeping them in the fight.


Where?

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Dooku's more powerful than Marr? Arguably. Marr speedblitzed Lachris, stomped Thanaton's master and was stated to be second to none in the Empire. You can say Dooku has better feats but nowhere near to the extent you're claiming.


Calypso and Lachris aren't anything noteworthy. Dooku stomping Ventress alone shits on those feats.

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They're literally saying he's too powerful for them to defeat.


Which can also mean parity, lol.

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He just lost a very close battle against sixteen of the most powerful Jedi and Sith heroes in the galaxy, including somebody as powerful as Darth Nox. Calling that 'fatigue' is a laughable understatement. He was also busy empowering a weapon that would kill everything in a multi-kilometer radius.


Sorry, but a hindered novel Revan was able to heal himself from infinitely worse injuries very quickly. Suggesting an amped SoR Revan couldn't do so is laughable. And Tyranus was immensely fatigued, yet he washed that all away in a moment.

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lol So if you're looking at someone, that means you're guard is up? Evidently not the case against Malgus, lol.

And yes, they knew she was a threat, but they weren't prepared for the unprecedented amount of power that she unleashed - instinctive Force defenses or not.


Your Lesser Force Shield is always up. The fact they're staring at Vaylin and was forewarned indicates also the Greater Force Shield.

LMFAO. Such blatant stupidity. Theran survived that "unprecedented amount of power that she unleashed" - that's the ****ing point.


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Where was Theron when the shockwave hit him?


He was where Arcann was standing if you decide to kill Arcann.


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He did, and they were completely unharmed despite Revan being amped and them not having any visible energy shields active.


Pathetically wrong. They visibly have energy shields around them throughout the battle.

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I love these game mechanics, lol.

Terrible rebuttal. Concession accepted.


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Also, the Revan cutscene instance you're referring to is practically the same as Vaylin's - Theron survived in both.

Since you admitted Vaylin unleashed an "unprecedented amount of power," your case crumbles terribly and laughably.


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Your Lesser Force Shield is always up.


Yeah, so you didn't need to bring it up. You can still be caught off-guard with it up.

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The fact they're staring at Vaylin and was forewarned indicates also the Greater Force Shield.


No it doesn't, lmfao, or else the guys against Malgus would've had it up as well.

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LMFAO. Such blatant stupidity. Theran survived that "unprecedented amount of power that she unleashed" - that's the ****ing point.

He was where Arcann was standing if you decide to kill Arcann.

Pathetically wrong. They visibly have energy shields around them throughout the battle.


So the energy shields protect them from TK waves. No idea how that changes anything else. Revan can still reach out and snap their necks, which he obviously never did. And that again, suggests that he was on the defensive.

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Pathetically wrong. They visibly have energy shields around them throughout the battle.


Stop being dramatic. And no, they don't have energy shields around them in that GIF you posted for Revan TK'ing them.

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Terrible rebuttal. Concession accepted.


Yours? Yes, it is.

Game mechanics aren't valid evidence. You can have your allies knocked out and then they're in the cutscene afterwards.

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Such absolute and blind stupidity. This is so embarrassing on your part.

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Yeah, so you didn't need to bring it up. You can still be caught off-guard with it up.


As per yourself, Vaylin unleashed an "unprecedented amount of power" that hurled Arcann and Senya, even despite them having up their Lesser Force Shields.

And yet Theron Shan survived this same exact blast. Thus, it's apparent that your argument that "hurr, I'm a retard and Theron wasn't even killed by Revan" is outright Vaderish.

Well, the retard part seems accurate, but the latter part is kek. thumb up

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No it doesn't, lmfao, or else the guys against Malgus would've had it up as well.


Yeah, they did. Darth Malgus is definitely above everyone on the strike team.

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So the energy shields protect them from TK waves. No idea how that changes anything else. Revan can still reach out and snap their necks, which he obviously never did. And that again, suggests that he was on the defensive.


Next, why the hell can Revan snap their necks if there's an energy shield protecting his Force powers from their necks? You can't just snap someone's neck if they have a Force barrier.

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Stop being dramatic. And no, they don't have energy shields around them in that GIF you posted for Revan TK'ing them.


I'm referring to when he ragdolled them. In the cutscene, refer to the fact Vaylin didn't kill Theron either.

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Game mechanics aren't valid evidence. You can have your allies knocked out and then they're in the cutscene afterwards.


Also, what an absolute and disgusting lie. There's no quote stating game mechanics are non-canon. Unless you bring forth a quote, you're wrong, a liar, and a pathetic one.


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The argument's against Revan here are so horrible that I'm inclined to believe Revan can actually take this strike team.

He can probably one-shot the Exile, Kreia, Angral, Atton, and the elite Sith individually. Dooku perhaps goes down in two-shots.

Perhaps there is an argument to be made that Revan loses, but someone besides gamemechanicsboy01 would have to bring it forth.


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Such absolute and blind stupidity.


Stop describing yourself.

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As per yourself, Vaylin unleashed an "unprecedented amount of power" that hurled Arcann and Senya, even despite them having up their Lesser Force Shields.

And yet Theron Shan survived this same exact blast. Thus, it's apparent that your argument that "hurr, I'm a retard and Theron wasn't even killed by Revan" is outright Vaderish.


So what if he survived? You said he had an energy shield that stops Force waves. Did he deactivate it after he had Vaylin on her knees?

Arcann and Senya were ragdolled because they were unprepared for the amount of power that that Vaylin was about to unleash. That doesn't mean the same amount of power has to disintegrate everyone, lol.

I'm referring to all of the non-Force sensitives, not just Theron in particular.

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Next, why the hell can Revan snap their necks if there's an energy shield protecting his Force powers from their necks? You can't just snap someone's neck if they have a Force barrier.


Energy shields aren't Force barriers, you overcooked chicken fillet.

Force waves are external attacks - snapping somebody's neck is internal. It can bypass energy shields since it isn't hitting them head-on from the outside.

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I'm referring to when he ragdolled them. In the cutscene, refer to the fact Vaylin didn't kill Theron either.


And I'm referring to the cutscene. Are Theron's shields up in the Vaylin one?

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Also, what an absolute and disgusting lie. There's no quote stating game mechanics are non-canon. Unless you bring forth a quote, you're wrong, a liar, and a pathetic one.


lol "Absence of evidence is evidence of absence" doesn't work.

Game mechanics are pure bullshit, lol. You conveniently have healing stations that restore you to full health at every boss fight, lmfao. Malgus' Choke works on three of you if you bring four chars, yet if you bring three he can suddenly only choke two. You're absolutely retarded if you think all game mechanics are legitimate canon.

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The Retardation Strikes Back!

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So what if he survived? You said he had an energy shield that stops Force waves. Did he deactivate it after he had Vaylin on her knees?

Arcann and Senya were ragdolled because they were unprepared for the amount of power that that Vaylin was about to unleash. That doesn't mean the same amount of power has to disintegrate everyone, lol.

I'm referring to all of the non-Force sensitives, not just Theron in particular.


It's relevant he survived because you are hammering Revan for also not killing Shan in that Force blast.

Concession accepted, Christ.

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Energy shields aren't Force barriers, you undercooked chicken fillet.

Force waves are external attacks - snapping somebody's neck is internal. It can bypass energy shields since it isn't hitting them head-on from the outside.


Where's the proof that internal attacks can bypass energy shields? Are you lying for the third time today?

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And I'm referring to the cutscene. Are Theron's shields up in the Vaylin one?


No, which further proves my point. Concession accepted.

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ol "Absence of evidence is evidence of absence" doesn't work.

Game mechanics are pure bullshit, lol. You conveniently have healing stations that restore you to full health at every boss fight, lmfao.


No, those are tactical and solo flashpoints, not the main story flashpoints. I wouldn't expect you to know, since you're retarded.

And no. The game is canon. You would need a quote confirming that an element of the game is then non-canon.

You have no such evidence. Thus, you're wrong. Completely wrong. Stop humiliating yourself, bend the knee, and get the **** out of this thread.

Pathetic.


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