Registered: Aug 2016
Location: Pennsylvania, United States
Ah yes, the infamous "author quotes don't count" argument. Apparently they only don't count if they're going against your pov, as SunRazer demonstrated in our debate earlier.
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"I'm not any kind of official expert or authority on Star Wars. I wrote some books for them, but I don't get to say what is or isn't canon or official or anything like that. [...] That's why I'm reluctant to answer questions like this; because even with all these caveats it's inevitable that fans will give my opinion more weight than it's worth. So, to sum up, I told you my opinion, but it doesn't have any real weight, importance or authority." -Drew Karpyshyn
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I meant this, but you don't talk about author statement being true here *shrug*
Also, I don't wanna be rude, but it's ridiculous how you(and Syn)moan about Nova's Double Standarts, only to say then:
> Valkorion is > Plagueis/RotS Sidious, because the canonical source isn't backed up by feats!
> An author says, Plagueis > TPM Sidious, and another says D. Revan would beat Traya and the Exile together, so it's true!
Registered: Aug 2016
Location: Pennsylvania, United States
Yeah I didn't mention the author quotes there at all.
I take a mixed approach when dealing with author quotes and most accolades. Some can be taken at face value, but there are others that need substantiation. For example, the Plagueis quote has substantiation to back it in the form of feats, where as anything suggesting that TPM Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, does not; as comparing feats between TPM Sidious and the likes of Plagueis of Vitiate make it obvious that Plagueis and Vitiate were above Sheev at that point in time.
Your evidence against author quotes is an author quote......and people wonder why this forum is shit.
You just said, that you countered that Author quotes shouldn't be counted, so youmseem to believe that they should be counted.
Yeah, based on feats Traya & Exile > D. Revan, lol.
TPM Sidious literally stomping Maul, and being holistically portrayed as his masters equal, should be enough to put him above Plaggy after a huge powergrowth.
I also more meant the Plaggy > Vitiate quote.
Registered: Aug 2016
Location: Pennsylvania, United States
What? I'm the one USING the author quote. Why would I say it can't be used when it's one of my major tools? Author quotes should be considered, if not contradicted by anything 100% undeniable.
I never actually said I subscribed to the Darth Revan>Traya+Surik quote. Mostly because it doesn't hold up, but if one subscribes to the Mando Wars Revan>Nihilus quote then that would also be true (not saying I believe that quote either, not as far as Mando Wars Revan is concerned anyway.)
TPM Sheev has no feats to support superiority to Plagueis. I do they the two were relatively close in power, but with Plagueis as the superior.
Everybody well knows I don't consider back cover blurbs canon, which I told SunRazer.
Registered: Jun 2016
Location: The Throne of the Sheevites
A quote applies absolutely always unless it's contradicted by feats. And no, having inferior feats to someone isn't a contradiction in itself, unless both characters' limits have been clearly defined and the one with a quote backing him up is still inferior.
For example: Valkorion has planetary feats, yet Plagueis does not. Plagueis, however, has a quote declaring him the strongest Sith ever and he has never been pushed to his limits, or even close to it, really. Dismissing the quote because of a lack of feats on Plagueis' part is a fallacy and results in automatic concession.
This does not apply to opinions of course, be they from a KMC user or from an author.
A revealing quote. It would seem to me that an opinion that an author gives to a fan question and what is legitimately considered canon and thus is applicable to scaling a character's performance in a hypothetical battle are two different things.
I think we're all aware that there's an inherent difference between an author clarifying THEIR OWN work and giving an opinion on general canon or other events within continuity.
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Ok, can you give an example? The most notable examples I've seen of author quotes being used to substantiate positions are hypothetical battle questions posed to authors, like Revan vs the Exile and Traya for Avellone, or Plaguies vs Sidous for Luceno. The only instance that I can remember an author quote was used to clarify a work was Veitch saying that Sidious couldn't control his force storms, which people immediately denied as it contradicted other canon sources. Drew's clarification provided in the quote Selenial provided was interesting to me.
I guess Lucas clarifying things in his commentaries is an example now that I think about it. But Lucas was the owner and creator of Star Wars, so his input on things like the Prequel Trilogy being the "Golden Age" and all that seems credible because he invented the universe to begin? Does that seem hypocritical?
Dec 4th, 2016 07:25 PM
