She also says that the technique draws upon the Jedi's own strength to kill them, so if you're basing it off that then there's no reason for any of this "excess energy".
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Its the only thing that could cause it. There was no mechanical attack, and no need for any attack other than the drain. Do you seriously suggest Nihilus just smashed up the buildings with a separate, pointless attack for kicks like a child stomping sandcastles?
It isn't, you're just interpreting it that way. And as it turns out, you were wrong. Get over it. You didn't answer my question btw, are you seriously suggesting that as a valid explanation? And yes we do genius, because the attack hadn't reached those people yet. Good jorb.
I'm not sure if you even expect us to take you seriously anymore. You're literally arguing against everything except your own opinions. We can literally see what happened and you're still trying to say it was different. We are told how the attack works and you are still suggesting its not true. We have only one explanation that makes sense and has support from other examples and your still being stubborn. You've even implied that you might just be ****ing with us.
Like, I'm pretty sure we're done here, man.
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You still haven't responded to the other post like you promised, which is full of points that you haven't even addressed up to now. Whether Drain affects buildings or not is completely inconsequential to the main point - that he can't just rock up to a planet and instantly devour all life on it.
We're told the attack works, yeah - and nowhere is it stated or even implied that there's environmental or external damage of any sort, in any of the power's descriptions. On the other hand, TCSWE implies that the Drain is separate to the "blasting into ruin" part. Whereas you're making up this "excess energy" nonsense which has no basis and you think that's reasonable because it aligns with your stance.
Heck, you're even going against Beni's "excess energy" argument, in which case you don't even have an argument for Drain damaging buildings (Vitiate hadn't even been invented yet, so clearly he isn't a reliable basis, not to mention that the power he was using was different anyways).
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"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes."
If death is a source of energy for Darth Nihilus, then it doesn't matters how people are dying. He will instinctively feed on the deaths he is causing. So even if his Starship blasts a city into ruins, he will still be feeding on the resultant deaths there, to replenish himself or restore his power.
Just wanted to make this clear.
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"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes."
If death is a source of energy for Darth Nihilus, then it doesn't matters how people are dying; he will instinctively feed on the deaths he is causing. So even if his Starship blasts a city into ruins, he will still be feeding on the resultant deaths there.
The aforementioned dynamic is actually similar to what happened in Ziost. Vitiate used his powers to create and spread violence across the world; the resultant deaths became a source of energy for him to draw from, to replenish himself and/or grow in power.
Just wanted to make this clear.
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Legend, the quote you brought up refers to feeding on death caused by severing connections between life and the Force. It literally says that in the quote.
Nevertheless, as a Wound in the Force, Nihilus is able to feed on the death of beings from any cause (just like Malachor V & the Exile).
You've given me no reason to respond to your insane theories. They've been entirely debunked and you're just resorting to throwing a tantrum and complaining that things don't make sense. I hate to break it to you, by Space Magic isn't always internally consistent and logical.
We're shown in Unseen, Unheard, you raving lunatic. We can plainly see it destroying the surface. TCSWE implies nothing of the sort as I proved, which you conveniently forgot to respond to. And even then, a poorly worded sentence isn't strong enough proof to contradict the blatant evidence against it.
Vitiate's attack isn't much different than Nihilus', and serves to prove that drain can destroy structures and devastate a planet. You're getting it confused, Vitiate's attack was clearly based around Nihilus', using the latter as inspiration for the latter and retroactively cementing it. Complain all you want, it proves 100% that Nihilus' attack could have destroyed Katarr.
Obviously he senses it, he's trying to make sense of it or see if they're hiding somehow. I'm fairly sure the line you're referring to it the Exile going "you can already sense the Jedi aren't here you dunce" to Nihilus in his confrontation.
No he wasn't and no I don't.
We aren't shown any preparation in any of the cases the attack is used. Any speculation about preparation is completely baseless and speculative. You'll need more than maybe's, I'm afraid.
No shit is he not going to devour the buildings. That isn't exclusionary to the other effects of the attack.
Who knows or cares. Completely random pick. You're suggesting that Visas someone survived the attack on her own merits? That's insane and completely fly's in the face of everything we know about the technique. Stop being so stupid.
No he wasn't.
Gosh I don't know, maybe the Sith that were there who were shown trying to feed on the dark energies that the Exile and her party actually stopped???? Naw, too much of a longshot. It must have been Nihilus trying to drain it from across the galaxy who the Exile stopped off-screen or something. Much more likely.
Whinge harder, it'll still be proof that Nihilus' attack could destroy the surface even if we couldn't plainly see it do so.
It's been proven to be neither, so good job.
No it doesn't, that's just your piss-poor interpretation of the sentence structure. One of us has an English degree and it isn't you.
I do when you're be so very, very stupid. Drain has been proven to be capable of doing it. You lose.
Thanks. It's always a delight when you attempt to make things clearer for us.
You couldn't even properly debunk something that the game outright stated wasn't true, lol. As for the rest of it, it stands.
No, it's not proven. Your one instance of "Drain doing it" is when the buildings fall apart before Drain even hits them (or the people).
Vitiate's attack is Sith Sorcery and a ritual, whereas Nihilus isn't as per KotORCG. Sith Sorcery is indeed capable of damaging buildings. Drain doesn't affect them by definition.
Which doesn't matter seeing as he has no disregard for life anyways, and Visas outright says that if there are no Jedi on the planet, he will Drain it anyway to sate himself to whatever extent he can because he didn't come all this way for nothing.
There's no need for him to detect the Jedi, because, again, he can feed on life indiscriminately.
So are you just going to ignore the quote because you don't like it, or?
Right. Other than the SWTOR codex explicitly stating that he had to prepare for the Drain on Telos. You're trying to either twist the quotes to your perspective or ignore them completely when they don't suit you.
What other effects of the attack are you going to make up?
It's only insane because you apply some ridiculous no-limits fallacy to it and expect everyone to die.
Are you forgetting that Traya survived Nihilus' Drain despite his intent to kill her? Yes, that totally flies in the face of everything we know about. It's not an instant kill, you donkey.
There two Sith Lords on Onderon and the most they did was Choke and Lightning Vaklu's runaway soldiers. Yes, I'm sure they were able to feed on the planet. Not that, you know, feeding on entire planets is something that Nihilus would do. But if average joe Sith are able to do it, then that only raises everybody else in K2.
The ones on Dxun were trying to resurrect Freedon Nadd per the Prima Guide. Nothing to do with using Onderon to feed on itself.
Whinge harder, Nihilus' attack still isn't proven to affect buildings. You're in denial.
And not by you, so it's hilarious to see you run around as if you're dominating.
You have no idea what anyone else's degree is, anyway.
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Vitiate's Nathema Ritual and Nihilus' Katarr drain are the same. Both left a Void in the Force.
So, yeah.
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"When my lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died." - Visas
''However, when Nihilus neared the planet, he spoke, his voice a great hunger that the Miraluka could see and feel through the Force. The Sith Lord's hunger overwhelmed them and obliterated the surface of Katarr, wiping out the entire colony and anything else touched by the Force. Nihilus destroyed much of what remained of the Jedi Order, including the Jedi Masters Zhar Lestin, Dorak and Vandar Tokare'' - Wookieepedia