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Tom Veitch confirms DE & TOTJ power levels
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SunRazer
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Besides the fact that he's working on a new project, I don't see anything new here. Tom's thoughts on these matters are pretty well known.

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He doesn't "confirms" sh!t.
He outright contradict sources, that's all.


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He doesn't "confirms" sh!t.
He outright contradict sources, that's all.


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Knock off the insults. Thank you.

I wonder if the book he's writing is Star Wars or about Star Wars. He seems to be writing something commenting on his past work, rather than producing something new that would bring those characters into canon.
Welcome back, man! big grin


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Interested to see the thoughts of people who put a lot of stock in author statements about this.

It feels good to be somewhat vindicated in my placement of Kun on Sidious' tier.


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Interested to see the thoughts of people who put a lot of stock in author statements about this.

They're legit hilarious when Author Statements have more weight for them then Objective, Out-Of Universe sources lmfao.
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It feels good to be somewhat vindicated in my placement of Kun on Sidious' tier.

Yeah, you shouldn't feel good for that.
We have a as strong, if not stronger, evidence for Kressh > Nadd, Tulak > Nihilus etc. but you don't believe that, do you?


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Legends is done, so I highly doubt this new book will be official.

Beyond that this is just Veitch's opinion, which is nice but doesn't hold water in any kind of formal debate.


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What makes this even more curious though is that it directly contradicts Veitch's own work (much like with that Force storms comment), which twice describes Palpatine as the most powerful dark side entity ever, even by RotJ.

Which leaves me to believe it can safely be dismissed as unreliable.


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@Urs - Kressh > Nadd? What's this based on?

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Honestly it sounds like he's taking the piss...


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It was obvious to me that from actual depiction - and not hyperbolic statements - Exar Kun is the strongest Dark sider of them all.

Virtually all the other contenders, Sidious, Krayt, Plagueis, Vitiate, Nihilus were taken out by either an elite individual or a small number of elites from their own era.
Even in the case of Abeloth, the bulk of her essence/power was defeated by Luke and Krayt together.

That's not the case with Kun. He was head and shoulders above the elites of his own era. It took the concerted efforts of thousands of Jedi using the greatest Light side power in the mythos to beat Kun. Then 4000 thousand years later his spirit casually wrecks post-DE Luke.

Kun is not even a character I particularly like. But it's undeniable that he's the strongest Sith ever.

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That's cause Kun was doing some ritual that was similar to Vitiate's ritual on Nathema, which would have made him some spirit that can wander throughout the cosmos or something like that. If anything Ragnos>Nadd>Kun going by the comics themselves and disregarding encyclopedias. Ragnos is hyped being this amazing DLOTS who's mere amulets granted Kun and Ulic far more power than they could have ever gotten from what the Krath and Nadd's teachings can offer them. Nadd implied he was in awe of the prowess of the Ancient Sith, and was in belief that with his new body he'll be the head honcho of his relationship with Kun but ofc Kun destroyed him instead of granting him his wishes.


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It "takes" thousands of Jedi to seal Kun (who had just drained the power of virtually the entire Massassi species) in the same way that it took every Jedi who ever existed to seal Palpatine forever.

Also, accolades declaring that you're the most powerful ever aren't hyperbole, lol. Not when there's over a dozen of them.

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We have a as strong, if not stronger, evidence for Kressh > Nadd, Tulak > Nihilus etc. but you don't believe that, do you?


First I've heard about it.


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@Urs - Kressh > Nadd? What's this based on?

Wasn't the crew of the Exile far more influenced by Kressh's Grave then by Nadd's?


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Weren't cultists siphoning the power from Nadd's tomb though?

Also Nadd's spirit was destroyed and stuff.


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I call bullshit. One author statement isn't enough to overrule the many quotes establishing Sidious as the top dog as far as Sith are concerned, and his feats more than back that up. I could buy Kun maybe being on par with TPM or TCW Sidious, but not DE Sidious.

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On top of that, Ulic has nothing his array of feats and accolades that even approaches Luke level shit. I think it's safe to say that Veitch is either pulling your chain, doesn't actually know shit about shit, or is a hardcore member of the KOTOR/TOR Era Brigade.

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Originally posted by Unbowed
It was obvious to me that from actual depiction - and not hyperbolic statements - Exar Kun is the strongest Dark sider of them all.

Virtually all the other contenders, Sidious, Krayt, Plagueis, Vitiate, Nihilus were taken out by either an elite individual or a small number of elites from their own era.
Even in the case of Abeloth, the bulk of her essence/power was defeated by Luke and Krayt together.

That's not the case with Kun. He was head and shoulders above the elites of his own era. It took the concerted efforts of thousands of Jedi using the greatest Light side power in the mythos to beat Kun. Then 4000 thousand years later his spirit casually wrecks post-DE Luke.

Kun is not even a character I particularly like. But it's undeniable that he's the strongest Sith ever.


I want to add that reading TOTJ the characters Ommin and Waarb Null were obvious expys of Palpatine and Vader from ROTJ, pretty sure that's supposed to indicate that they're also supposed to be as powerful as said characters. Ommin even had the entire planet of Onderon under the power of the dark side with his sorcery along with his family, akin to DE Palpatine and his Dark side adepts control of Byss. And all of that was given to him by the power of Freedon Nadd's mere spirit, and just a fraction of that power.

One wonders how things would have been if they kept the idea that Naga Sadow was a mere Sith sorceror who was banished by the TRUE Dark Lords of the Sith and Nadd was someone who was too weak to take the mantle of Dark Lord from a Sadow who only became Dark Lord via proxy aka the destruction of the Sith species.

In fact if that were kept true then the Krath and Nadd's teachings were mere scraps of what the Ancient Sith had and considering Markas talismans granted Kun and Ulic far more power than the Krath's and Nadd's teachings like I said beforehand then the Ancient Sith's true intentions painted God like beings in Star Wars continuity. Sadly that only partially came into frutition.


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