@Sunrazer
And? An idea alone doesn't "change the Sith Order forever".The criteria for the quote is Bane having changed the Sith Order "forever". I don't consider him just having found Zannah to be a permanent change. He still needs to train her, indoctrinate her into the RoT and then have her surpass him in order to get the loop going. Until he does that, all he has done is take a Sith apprentice, something that has been done countless times.
Also, I think it's worth pointing out that "change" isn't something that necessarily happens in an instant. Bane's eradication and replacement of the old Sith is something that happened over the course of three novels, not at any one time, which is why I think it makes little sense to ascribe one moment in time where "everything changed forever".
Except he hasn't established anything yet. All he has done is killed the other Sith; he hasn't done anything different from them yet, he hasn't changed the way the Sith operate.
Because without Bane's knowledge and power, Zannah would never have been in a position to carry on the RoT. She is carrying out Bane's will by killing and surpassing him. And when she does that, she starts the chain of apprentice killing master; and that is the core difference between Bane's Sith Order and the old ones. There can only be two at any given time. That is how he "changed" the Sith.
Bane killing all the other Sith in the galaxy is only a prerequisite for this change, because if he didn't kill them his system would be fundamentally flawed.
Zannah conspiring to learn everything Bane knows, kill him, then take on her own apprentice and do the same thing again, is how the Sith have changed. Bane killing lots of Sith isn't a change in Sith doctrine or behaviour. It's something Sith do quite a lot, albeit not on this scale.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Who cares? It's not as if DoE Bane being the more masterful in the dark side than Vitiate, Kun or the Ancient Sith is any more believable when he doesn't even know Sith sorcery.
He had no natural talent in that one field, but the quote is referring to his collective knowledge/mastery and power in all fields. His cumulative abilities could surpass theirs even if he isn't better in every single way.
Run with it you p*ssy
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Knowledge of telekinetic and Force lighting techniques could be surmised in two pages of A4, they are basic and widely practiced by even the lowliest of acolytes. Whereas the vast majority of Sith techniques beyond that are encompassed in a field in which Bane had no understanding or ability in, and advanced Force techniques like creating a death field 10 meters in radius Bane struggled with. The techniques he details in the Book of Sith are also pretty basic and rubbish.
It does if it's revolutionary and is put into practice. That's kind of what the ending of PoD was about.
He's started the Rule of Two, which is unprecedented. And it's not just him taking Zannah but destroying the Brotherhood with the Thought Bomb.
Bane eradicated the Sith in just one novel, PoD. He divested himself of any allegiance to the Brotherhood, and as the sole surviving member of the Sith, that meant the Brotherhood was no more. Bane taking Zannah was the moment that the Order of the Sith Lords began.
If Zannah ended up failing to kill Bane, then that would represent the failure of the Order of the Sith Lords, not a failure to change from the ways of the Brotherhood.
Zannah killing Bane is not a change that Bane effected with his knowledge of Sith techniques, lol, no matter how you try to spin it.
And sure he changed the way the Sith operates by the end of PoD. The Empire-based system of the old order was vanquished, with use of his knowledge of Sith techniques (Thought Bomb), and the new Order, the Rule of Two, began.
How did Bane's knowledge of Sith techniques and powers allow Zannah to kill him?
There's no Sith that seeks the destruction of the Sith Order. They only seek the deaths of rivals - threats to their power. Bane was eradicating the Brotherhood in order to renew the Sith, which is an unprecedented act that's only to be carried out by the Sith'ari. Zannah killing him doesn't cause any change, as I said - it cements an Order that already existed. Bane revolutionized the Order, so it's clear that the change is his destruction of the old Order and the construction of the new.
Also, I asked this question a long time ago but didn't get a conclusive answer - when was the article published? Because from what I can tell of the single scan, it's only in reference to Bane of the Sith, not the Darth Bane Trilogy. Bane of the Sith only covers up to the beginning of RoT. It certainly doesn't cover up to Zannah killing Bane. Which, again, would support my point.
You debate philosophies which are a totally mess.
RoT it's a political shitty doctrine.
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
Rule of Two sucks at realizing your 'full potential'(in the Force) that's all. :-)
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
Jan 3rd, 2017 01:55 PM
