KMC Forums - Darth Bane (PoD) vs Qui-Gon Jinn

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Originally posted by RHaggis
Still waiting.

Ah **** I've pulled an Ant...

Anyways, may would cite martial ability as being the most prominent thing Qui-Gon brings to this fight, so I'll address this first. Trainee Bane has managed to
1. Defeat a dozen Tuk'ata with his lightsaber skills alone. Bane was depleted by exhaustion and hunger as he had been engaged in physical activity in an extreme climate for several days with no food or rest, and the engagement began with the Tuk'ata surrounding Bane, which is significant because they could attack him from all angles and the Tuk'ata have been noted for their extreme tactical intelligence particularly with group maneuvers, and they are credited with force sensitivity, being the most dangerous guardians of the tombs on Korriban, and have displayed a limited level of resiliency against lightsaber strikes. In the two known documented non-gameplay cases of characters facing packs of Tuk'ata at a time, the Tuk'ata showcased themselves to challenge groups of some of the greatest Jedi swordsman of their day.
2. He managed to stomp Sirak, who objectively gets hype as a master swordsman and high level master of multiple forms through his use of the saberstaff and Juyo, which is further demonstrated by his ability to weave several forms at once into complex sequences. He's also head and shoulders above the other students at the academy as a duelist (as confirmed by them considering him untouchable and Sirak being the top dog in every single discipline before Bane surpassed him), including Githany who managed to quickly tear through the defenses of Kiel Charny, noted as one of the Jedi Order's champions at the time and thus clearly above your average Jedi/Sith master (who are noted numerous times as being more combatively viable than an entire division of soldiers), who are above adepts/knights, who are above Shadow assassins who are noted as some of the deadliest killers in the galaxy specifically trained to kill force wielders with a mastery of stealth ability to telekinetically kill without moving and training so difficult many don't survive it.
3. He managed to move faster than trained Force wielders could perceive, which basically means he can blitz force users.

All three of these mark Trainee Bane as a very exceptional duelist in his own right. This incarnation of Bane is not above Qui-Gon by any means, however saberstaff Kas'im is capable of stomping this incarnation of Bane so quickly it almost constitutes a blitz, and Bane as of his peak in POD was capable of driving saberstaff Kas'im (who was noted to have perfected every move and sequence of all seven forms) into a desperate retreat.

Many will cite Qui-Gon's performance against Maul, and while that is impressive, it needs to be remembered that Qui-Gon's first duel against Darth Maul wore him out pretty quickly, and on Naboo Maul was noted to be greater than the combined might of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.

So in lightsaber combat, I'm more impressed with POD Bane who can, through scaling, easily blitz trainee Bane, who in turn is already at the level where he can stomp a high level master of multiple forms (who in turn through scaling could stomp one of the Jedi's champions) and blitz Jedi/Sith, than I am with Qui-Gon who can hold out against Maul, but ultimately not even measure up to Maul with aid.

And in terms of Force abilities there's not even really a contest. POD Bane has been credited as the most powerful Sith in centuries, more powerful than anyone involved in the previous history of Ambria, and easily above Lord Kaan in the Force (whose telepathic abilities were so advanced he was able to mentally influence 20,000 Sith at once from across the Galaxy).

Telekinetically, one need only look at his telekinetic wave on Lehon. Though this took place on Lehon, Bane was exhausted at the time, he was noted to have continued to grow in power throughout the remainder of the novel, and a portion of the wave's impact shook the ground far beneath the surface of the planet, another portion of the wave's power collapsed the temple of the ancients, and another portion of the wave's power would've reduced someone with the superhuman physical attributes of a Force wielder to a puddle, any one of which is really notably more power than Qui-Gon has ever been shown wielding or defending himself against as a Force user.

Bane also demonstrated extremely advanced telepathy (memory walk), and an hour after learning Force lightning produced a force lightning storm capable of ripping apart a room... all before the massive growth in power and knowledge that took place on Lehon.

So ultimately, I believe a purely martial contest would fall in Bane's favor, but even assuming he fails to overcome Qui-Gon Jinn martially, he would still be able to at least contend with Qui-Gon martially whereas Qui-Gon still wouldn't be able to contend with Bane in the Force. Even Qui-Gon's esteemed fight with Darth Maul fails to prove his force defenses are up to the task since Darth Maul never engaged Qui-Gon in telekinetic combat.

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