Also what's all this nonsense about Aquaman having any sort of speed advantage? With Mjolnir she's waaaay faster. Like flying brick Superman/Sentry fast in a fight. She's made extensive use of Mjolnir's speed and flight advantage.
What's Aquaman going to do but die? Because I can count on one hand maybe the heralds faster than Mjolnir in flight. She even tells Mjolnir to let her steer further highligting the reflexes needed to direct the hammer midflight.
Her and Odin were punching each other from planet to planet and covering light years. In the same fight she manipulated and threw the Red Spot at Odin which is a storm larger than the planet Earth.
Based on her track record, you'd need like 5 Aquamans and even then he'd be owned the moment Mjolnir gets angry because apparently it's alive and is powered by a Skyfather level entity.
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The whole concept behind her is awesome, burried under the SJW angle editorial was probably forcing on the writer.
A background character being worthy? Awesome.
Getting to have some payback on arrogant gods and allfather? Awe-some.
Making a terminal illness patient the main focus instead of an object of pity, who's mind and perspective you can step into? Genius, and something that doesn't happen often. (Constantine and Mar-Vel are two I can think of off the top of my head.) Plus, having the hammer purge her body of chemicals/radiation while transforming her cancer cells back and forth with the rest of her is a nice touch. The self sacrifice to just pick up the damned thing...
In general, the Jane perspective has been very well done, imo. Nothing feminist about it, her thoughts are 100% relatable to anyone who suddenly gains the power of a god.
Sure, it's not perfect, and the SJW themes are definately there, but this doesn't seem as bad as the Living Weapon series was (The Canadian writer is a true SJW, looking at his interviews.) And guess what, Odin doesn't stay a token evil patriarch, either. He's allowed to have depth to his character, as seen when his wife was injured and he dropped everything to stay by her side (I'd also argue, nothing done to his character is worsr then his history. Odin's ALWAYS been a dick, even at his best.)
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I think it's the fact that Jane's conception is being done at a time period where Marvel is replacing all of their big named white male characters is the problem Jane is having with it feeling like a stunt.
Like you said the background of the character is pretty awesome, and she honestly covers an audience that never really gets any real representation in comics. And that's the terminally ill. TBH she interest me more than Thor in as an idea standpoint.
That's Odin at base. He can amplify his stats beyond Thor. Back in the day he restrained Thor with one arm, and he did it with ease. A class 70 isn't going to toss Thanos around like we saw when he faced off against Odin, so you should take the base level class 70 thing with a grain of salt. Unless of course you think that it would be normal for a character to get into a fight and purposely hold back power that they have every right to use?
superman, shazam do it all the time. Plus thats magical amp odin. Thor is stronger base plus has warrior madness plus is far superior when he takes the throne or gains Skyfather status.
Odin ranges from manhandling Thor to laughing off his hits and that of other high heralds at even a fraction of his power. His handbook base of 75 has never been supported on panel and thus irrelevant.
You might as well say that Superman without Solar Power at his base has human level stats or Surfer without the Power Cosmic. Odin without the Odin Power is either sleeping or dead.
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The hammer would take pity on him. Maybe mark him as the next Thor, because it likes hard luck cases.
At least until it becomes a full fledged character and gets it's own comic book series. We're a hairs breadth away from a joke made years ago of the hammer getting sick of being held back by hosts and striking off on it's own becoming true.
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I think Hulk has an Adamantium feat as well. Those adamantium feats might just be Uber feats due to writer hype. Or just bad showings for adamantium depending on how you want to look at it.
The way I read it that wasn't standard Ms Marvel or not actually her at that time. There was some wonky thing going on with a group of reality warpers. That being who broke those inhibitors was actually a composite of those reality warpers, hence the statement by Osborn about how those the chair could not be broken by even Sentry and Ares working together.
Abhi. In the same comic that being(made up of reality warpers) literally admitted to Osborn that it wasn't Carol.
The composite being recreated another human body with Carol's mind, but missing some of her memory. They thought it was her inner desire to be free of the burdens of being a hero. It wasn't until later on they realized that her desire to be a hero superseded her desires of a normal life, thus fully resurrecting her.
We can't just attribute that feat to Ms. Marvel if you examine the context. There was clearly more at play.
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