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These are different circumstances. Maul didn't choose to fight Sidious who was better than him. He defended himself. Vader decided to fight Kenobi who defended himself. Kenobi wasn't as skilled yet he still prevailed. Note the differences you moron.
In debating we explain why it is. We don't make vague inflammatory statements and not give your reasons.
Vader was rescued by Palpatine and given a suit which prolonged his pitiful and miserable existence by decades. He was a high ranking official in the empire in a time the Jedi were decimated and were forced to go into hiding. He didn't amass any power on his own it was all given to him at his feet thanks to the guy who completely manipulated him into being his man slave for decades.
Yes, it is comparable because both were experiencing rage due to their emotions. Saying would have isn't the same thing as what actually happened. We see a composed Vader meet up later with Kenobi and he held no advantage prior to Kenobi to give up fighting. Just because Anakin can't handle fear very well and Kenobi can and has that doesn't make it an excuse for one and not another. This demonstrates how mentally weak Anakin was throughout his entire lifetime. We see it again and again. Attack of the clones against Dooku. Against Kenobi, etc.
He pushed him back but ultimately lost the fight. Who cares if he pushed him back but was ineffective at disarming or injuring Kenobi. You're a stupid person. I don't care if Kenobi masturbates while running away. He won the fight.
Maul has been given no passes and unlike Vader he has disarmed Kenobi as well as force push him away in defeat. He also unbalanced him with anger something that occurred to crybaby Anakin.
He cried while he burned. He's a *****. He will always be a *****. Like the peso.
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I am one of the few who ranks him accurately. Vader is weak. These are all facts that detail a history of emotional fragility. He was a man child who was rescued by Palpatine and dominated due to the position in a galactic empire with all the power in the galaxy. In the end despite his age and Yoda's hesitancy to complete his training he defeated Vader handily. Vader greatly benefited in this era. He was maimed in the Pt era on more than one occasion. He's a loser.
You just admitted Kenobi wasn't as skilled. /argument
#Triggered.
I really get on your nerves, don't I?
Because what you're saying has absolutely nothing to do with Vader, lol. You point out Vader's failures, I pointed out Maul's. Or are you denying Maul has had serious failures throughout his life?
And Maul was rescued by Savage, who took him to Talzin, who cured him of his uselessness and madness.
Yes. What's your point? He would've been made a high ranking official with Jedi around or not.
Oh, you're talking about the same guy that also made Maul his man slave for decades?
And of course he didn't amass anything, the Empire was his master's. Why would he need to? The fact that he needn't amass power of his own isn't proof that he couldn't, should it have been necessary.
The fact that Anakin was 'mentally weak' does not at all mean he was Kenobi's inferior in terms of combative abilities. Look, I don't give a shit that Anakin was more emotionally fragile than Kenobi, what I'm saying is that this affected their duel and the outcome a lot. Are you going to deny that, too?
Again you're failing to follow your own advice. Con-text. CONTEXT. Context. Got it?
You're giving Maul all the passes and completely ignoring all his failures.
Yeah, using it twice is kinda unoriginal. Come on, you can find a better way to insult me. Well, try.
Kenobi>anakin guys:
"His hands seized Obi-Wan's wrists with impossible strength, forcing his arms wide. "I am so sick of your lectures!"
Dark power bore down with his grip.
Obi-Wan felt the bones of his forearms bending, beginning to feather toward the greenstick fractures that would come before the final breaks.
Oh, he thought. Oh, this is bad."
"A roar of the Force blasted Obi-Wan back into a wall, smashing breath from his lungs, leaving him swaying, half stunned. Anakin stepped over bodies and lifted his blade for the kill."
Source: Revenge of the Sith
"Obi knows that Anakin is better than him, but because he taught him, he knows emotionally how he’s going to behave."
"When I started, I figured that a youngling is a level one. And somebody like Kit Fisto - seven. I did take it to eight and nine, but not many people know that. Eight and nine is cheat. So Obi-Wan is eight. Yoda is nine. Mace is eight, bordering on nine. Anakin is nine."
As Anakin’s lightsaber hummed toward him, a calm certainty filled Obi-Wan. Anakin was going to kill him. Oh, he’d make Anakin work for it. He’d fight with everything he had. But he was positive, with the sureness that came from any Force-driven insight, that he would die at Anakin’s hands.
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He isn't but he still won which is actually worse for Vader. We see better teams lose all the time to inferior skilled teams. What matters is how they perform on that given day. Vader lost to someone he should beat but never was able to best skill wise. Yeah, that makes Vader look inept.
Nah, I just enjoy mocking someone with the limited intelligence you seem to consistently perpetuate on a daily basis around here.
The difference is Vader's are more egregious. Maul losing to a superior opponent he didn't seek out is to be expected. Vader losing against his master whom he is superior to skill wise is awful. Vader was never the master throughout his life unlike Maul. Maul laid out his own plans which garnered the attention of Vader's master. Vader never became his own man or created his own destiny. It was always at the behest of someone else's tutelage.
Yes, he was insane but he still managed to survive of his own accord despite his injuries unlike Vader. Maul later became the master whereas Vader never achieved this.
My point is obvious and that he did so with less competition and with the backing of a galactic empire. Much easier to do so in the position he was in.
Maul eventually became the master and opposed Sidious. In fact due to his own machinations Palpatine considered him a peer. Vader was just someone who served up his own replacement in true cuckold fashion, his son.
It's much easier to be born with a silver spoon in your mouth than go make your fortune on your own. You're a special kind of moron. Vader held all the advantages.
Tough. It's like saying the Warriors lost the finals because someone had a rough week. Man the **** up. Deal with your emotions. Kenobi dealt with tragedy and was better off than Anakin who was arrogant and emotional. You don't get to ignore his weak emotional makeup and only focus on his skill. Vader isn't just a skill set he is a character with emotional baggage. You don't get to dismiss it because you're a fanboy.
No, I accepted everything that happened. Maul doesn't get passes for overconfidence. What happened happened. He did skill wise show up Kenobi whereas Vader never did. Years later when he wasn't an emotional wreck he didn't best Kenobi through skill either.
You're from a poor country I can treat you just as the United States treats your people; like shit.
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He is powerful and popular. I acknowledge this but you downplay his history, emotional history, and his lifetime of pain and misery.
Luke crushed his dad despite the lack of experience. Quit going off topic I do not care for your petty emotional outbursts. Just like a Vader fan to cry out foul when someone doesn't give their lord their worship. He's overrated and a loser. Facts support my case.
I feel like I'm talking to a machine that cannot comprehend the reasons when explained to it. I won't say it again.
Yeah, I have limited intelligence, Quan. Your mocking hurts. Plz stawp.
You fail to see that I do not give a shit about this, and that I do not actually believe Maul is a failure. But your double standards are mind-blowing, in that you see Vader as an absolute failure when Maul clearly has failed in life several times. Hard. Open your eyes to objectivity.
Are you implying Maul would've been able to survive the exact same injuries Vader had after his fight with Kenobi without the help of someone else or without the suit? Nah, even you are not that retarded.
Yes. And? That's in no way proof that Vader wouldn't have been able to achieve stuff with more competition in the way.
Lmao @ at your belief that Palpatine considering him a 'peer' means something. Had Vader rebelled and acquired power on his own, he would've been his 'peer', too.
The only reason why Maul eventually opposed Sidious was because his time at the side of the Dark Lord was over because a Padawan sliced him in half and he was believed dead. Had this not happened, how do you even ****ing know Maul would've even had the balls to oppose him directly? You don't.
Your insults are cute
Can't believe you're actually implying that it's not easy to know if mental and emotional state have an impact on someone's abilities. It's obvious.
I feel like I'm talking to a goddamn wall here. Listen. I'm talking strictly about Anakin's combative abilities when compared to Kenobi's. I couldn't care less about the whole baggage and shit. Was Vader's performance affected by his emotional and mental state, yes or no? It's an easy answer.
If you answer yes, you're basically conceding because that was my point all along and you conveniently failed to see it.
Oh and yeah, I guess it's pretty easy for someone to just overcome all the tragedy, death and sadness going on in their lives and fight like nothing's happened. Kenobi's mentally tougher, sure. Kenobi's not the superior combatant. That was my point all along.
The duel never even ended, lol.
You know, when you attack someone with things like that, it goes a long way to show what type of guy you really are.
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Your insults do not attempt to refute anything I said. Vader losing against someone he is superior to is more egregious than Maul losing to someone he is inferior to. That's worse on Vader's end.
Vader's entire life was a failure. Maul's was not. They clearly aren't the same. You didn't want to address the specifics of why I believe Vader in the end failed worse. He wasn't even a bad guy and yet he was twisted to the dark side. Maul is a bad guy and revels in hatred and doing evil things. Maul stayed true to who he was Vader did not.
Unknown and speculation.
Quit avoiding common sense. Vader had an easier path of resistance and all the advantages the empire had to offer. It's like beating a game on super easy and bragging you're a badass.
Except Vader didn't show the ambition nor did he actually do so. I am arguing with facts you're rebutting with maybes. Facts>maybes.
We do not know but we only know what did happen. Maul did oppose him. Maul did achieve factional power and authority through his own machinations and ingenuity.
It does but mature or capable fighters don't let emotions sabotage their abilities. Kenobi managed while Vader could not. Man child. You can't ignore the emotional makeup with Vader and then excuse it. It's a part of who he is. Huge exploitable weakness.
Kenobi's performance was affected as well. But I pose another question. When Vader later met up with Kenobi in ANH did Vader defeat him with his superior skill ? Vader wasn't emotionally affected nor was Kenobi so what happened ?
False.
Kenobi is the superior combatant against Vader as he proved. Facts matter. Your feelings or opinion don't undermine their confrontations.
Another excuse.
It shows you're thin skinned and weak like Anakin. You really do emulate lord Vader.
I see nothing to suggest that Ben > Vader isn't an idea they carried forward since ESB. Vader's character evolved, they wanted to show off his TK, so they make the assumption that Ben is stronger than Vader to reconcile it all.
I see a repeat of Resurrection coming up in the future.
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