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Maul > Ben > DE Sidious > Plagueis > Krayt > Caedus > Vader >/= Tenebrous > Dooku >/= Venamis > Bane > Valkorion > Revan > Nihilus
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Jan 13th, 2017 02:04 AM
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tho maybe Tenebrous could be higher
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Jan 13th, 2017 02:07 AM
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Jan 13th, 2017 02:59 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by ILS
DOG>Maul > Ben > DE Sidious > Plagueis > Krayt > Caedus > Vader >/= Tenebrous > Dooku >/= Venamis > Bane > Valkorion > Revan > Nihilus
fixed for you
Jan 13th, 2017 06:37 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by ILS
If only that were explicitly true, and an infallible source. Yeah, if only he was stonewalled by someone who got beat by Vader, on a nexus.
Oh.
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Jan 13th, 2017 12:51 PM
Azronger
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Could somebody just post the quotes that contradict this notion?
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Jan 13th, 2017 02:05 PM
cs_zoltan
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Here's one that supports it
Back on the Rebel base on Coruscant, Luke Skywalker tested Kyp's Jedi power potential. What he discovered was the strongest presence he had known since his Masters Obi-Wan and Yoda.
--The Essential Guide to Characters
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Jan 13th, 2017 02:10 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Azronger
Could somebody just post the quotes that contradict this notion?
"Your powers are weak old man."
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Jan 13th, 2017 02:17 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
"Your powers are weak old man."
That was in reference to lightsaber combat:
He still had some skill, his old Master did, but he was out of practice. Vader could feel it through the Force.
Obi-Wan twirled and blocked a slash, then wove a defensive pattern with his blade. The Force was still with the old Jedi; he was able to anticipate Vader's strikes and block or parry them. But after a quick exchange, Vader felt the energy shift in his favor. "Your powers are weak, old man."
-Death Star
So, it doesn't contradict the quote.
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Jan 13th, 2017 02:23 PM
Beniboybling
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Or maybe it was through lightsaber combat that Vader concluded his powers were weak.
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Jan 13th, 2017 02:39 PM
cs_zoltan
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Or maybe he was taunting him.
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Jan 13th, 2017 02:40 PM
Beniboybling
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Based on what he felt yeah.
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Jan 13th, 2017 02:44 PM
cs_zoltan
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Az's quote says otherwise
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Jan 13th, 2017 02:55 PM
Beniboybling
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Az's quote is neither Legends nor Canon, and therefore has no value.
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Jan 13th, 2017 02:56 PM
Azronger
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
Or maybe it was through lightsaber combat that Vader concluded his powers were weak.
No, he felt he was out of practise . What he meant by "powers" was his dueling skill, as strange as the wording is.
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Jan 13th, 2017 04:42 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
Az's quote is neither Legends nor Canon, and therefore has no value.
I guess it does take a back seat in terms of canonicity, but unless something is found that contradicts it, I don't see why it should be dismissed.
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Jan 13th, 2017 04:44 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Azronger
No, he felt he was out of practise . What he meant by "powers" was his dueling skill, as strange as the wording is.
That's in a different paragraph so no, and in the ANH novelisation he says it before they even start fighting, Kenobi retorting by saying Vader only feels part of the Force so again no.
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Jan 13th, 2017 04:46 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Azronger
I guess it does take a back seat in terms of canonicity, but unless something is found that contradicts it, I don't see why it should be dismissed.
It's not a case of dismissing it, but taking it seriously in the first place.
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Jan 13th, 2017 04:47 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
It's not a case of dismissing it, but taking it seriously in the first place.
Why wouldn't you? I don't see why Ben being 50 % stronger than Vader is an outrageous notion or anything.
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Jan 13th, 2017 04:50 PM
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The entire SW cosmology has changed since then lol. Shit, at this time, Lucas is saying Yoda is not a “real Jedi” and he would get his ass kicked by Vader.
Jan 13th, 2017 04:58 PM
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