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Ben Kenobi >> Darth Vader?
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Maul > Ben > DE Sidious > Plagueis > Krayt > Caedus > Vader >/= Tenebrous > Dooku >/= Venamis > Bane > Valkorion > Revan > Nihilus


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tho maybe Tenebrous could be higher


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DOG>Maul > Ben > DE Sidious > Plagueis > Krayt > Caedus > Vader >/= Tenebrous > Dooku >/= Venamis > Bane > Valkorion > Revan > Nihilus

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If only that were explicitly true, and an infallible source. smile
Yeah, if only he was stonewalled by someone who got beat by Vader, on a nexus.

Oh. smile


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Could somebody just post the quotes that contradict this notion?


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Here's one that supports it thumb up

Back on the Rebel base on Coruscant, Luke Skywalker tested Kyp's Jedi power potential. What he discovered was the strongest presence he had known since his Masters Obi-Wan and Yoda.
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Could somebody just post the quotes that contradict this notion?
"Your powers are weak old man." smile


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"Your powers are weak old man." smile


That was in reference to lightsaber combat:

He still had some skill, his old Master did, but he was out of practice. Vader could feel it through the Force.

Obi-Wan twirled and blocked a slash, then wove a defensive pattern with his blade. The Force was still with the old Jedi; he was able to anticipate Vader's strikes and block or parry them. But after a quick exchange, Vader felt the energy shift in his favor. "Your powers are weak, old man."

-Death Star


So, it doesn't contradict the quote.


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Or maybe it was through lightsaber combat that Vader concluded his powers were weak. erm


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Or maybe he was taunting him.


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Based on what he felt yeah.


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Az's quote says otherwise smile


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Az's quote is neither Legends nor Canon, and therefore has no value. smile


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Or maybe it was through lightsaber combat that Vader concluded his powers were weak. erm


No, he felt he was out of practise. What he meant by "powers" was his dueling skill, as strange as the wording is.


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Az's quote is neither Legends nor Canon, and therefore has no value. smile


I guess it does take a back seat in terms of canonicity, but unless something is found that contradicts it, I don't see why it should be dismissed.


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No, he felt he was out of practise. What he meant by "powers" was his dueling skill, as strange as the wording is.
That's in a different paragraph so no, and in the ANH novelisation he says it before they even start fighting, Kenobi retorting by saying Vader only feels part of the Force so again no.


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I guess it does take a back seat in terms of canonicity, but unless something is found that contradicts it, I don't see why it should be dismissed.
It's not a case of dismissing it, but taking it seriously in the first place.


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It's not a case of dismissing it, but taking it seriously in the first place.


Why wouldn't you? I don't see why Ben being 50 % stronger than Vader is an outrageous notion or anything.


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The entire SW cosmology has changed since then lol. Shit, at this time, Lucas is saying Yoda is not a “real Jedi” and he would get his ass kicked by Vader.

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