Vader would crush kylo or Rey, that’s whySnoke holds him in high esteem
Also how is Snoke being cheap dying via cheap shot any different then Sidious being grabbed FROM BEHIND, by someone with cybernetic arms and thrown down a shaft?
There is no difference.
I don’t think anyone disputes Snokes power, but we do dispute the claims he’s stronger then Sidious. When have you or anyone proven this?
It is kinda different, with Sidious it's at least plausible given the way it's setup. With Snoke....it's kinda lazy, it doesn't help that he says something along the lines of "Kylo cannot betray me! I know his every thought!" Then he doesn't see this and dies. I mean, does Snoke lack peripheral vision too?
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Vader was weak and lost his way due to his son.
I do know it. This is all covered in the Star Wars visual dictionary for the last Jedi. Loved buying it and supporting the film.
Serkis also states Snoke is more powerful than Sidious and Vader. That is relevant to the discussion at hand not his accessories.
When asked if his character is more powerful than Darth Vader and the Emperor, Andy Serkis said, "Oh, without question. He has limitless resources, let's put it that way." The actor's comments, though, can be interpreted as Snoke in a few different ways. The first is that Snoke has a bigger team behind him, which is the least exciting of the options. The more exciting way to look at Serkis' comments is that he may be more powerful in the ways of the Force, which could make for some interesting moments coming our way. Andy Serkis just confirmed once and for all that Snoke is the most powerful Dark Side user we have ever seen on screen.
So then Kylo is top dog and not Snoke, so we got that established then. Which means if Kylo is afraid of not being able to be Vader....hm? Still though a little peripheral vision doesn't hurt anyone.
In the TLJ novelization, while Snoke was mind-probing Rey, she explicitly noted that Snoke's psionic abilities/TP were vastly more powerful than Kylo's... Then a few minutes later, Snoke is duped by Kylo's inferior psionic abilities? Wtf.
At least when Palpatine was betrayed by Vader, all of his focus was diverted to torturing/killing Luke and not centered around Vader at all. Snoke was literally reading Kylo's f*cking mind, and STILL couldn't see through the fog of his betrayal. Stupid AF.
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Not necessarily saying Kylo > Snoke. Just that the difference clearly wasnt large enough to keep him as his apprentice. The threat level was just too high, and we know with darksiders they will take advantage of that ASAP.
Would be like Palpatine having Windu as an Apprentice. Just wouldnt work.
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Get off your iPad, ti. Your posts are not quotable. He was weak in the sense he lost his way and came back to the light in the end. Kylo is resisting the urges to the light.
He was a powerful force user just not on Snokes, Lukes, Yodas, or Sidious level.
The films evidence all supports this due to the ease in which he dwarfed Reys power. Luke was fearful of her raw strength. We see Luke was not able to effortlessly put her in her place like Snoke was.
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Absurd. Per the director.
In my mind, he walks in there knowing basically that he is going to betray Snoke but he does not know yet exactly what the mechanism is and what his opportunity is going to be. But he’s gone in there with the intent of, whether it is now or whether it is later or whenever it_is,_when he brings Rey in there, he has had that connection with her and what he says in the elevator… from that, in my_head_I thought, Okay, he knows he is going to do this but he does not know how yet and when he sees that opportunity with that lightsaber next to him and sees Snoke distracted and realizes he can give this an attempt, he goes for it.
As I said only reason this was possible was due to the situation.
I'm not sure how you can really call Snoke "distracted", though..? In the film he is clearly bringing all of his focus to Kylo's thoughts/feelings through the force. The novelization corroborates this:
So the only logical way for Kylo to completely dupe Snoke like that would be if his psionic abilities with the force were superior to Snoke's... But that very clearly was not the case. Imo, this is just PIS of the highest order, and really cannot be explained with any sort of logic. /shrug
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This quote is from the director himself. The situation allowed for the deception to take place since his true enemy was technically near both light sabers so it would be interpreted as true. Snoke was distracted and Kylo attacked quickly in that moment.
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or maybe it’s just that you’re a lame ass troll 
