Leave it to Azronger to argue Maul legitimately challenged TPM Palpatine, but then argue that TPM Palpatine is infinitely more powerful than Valkorion.
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TCW always ignored the EU though. So there was massive loads of contradictions at that time which was addressed by TCW taking priority because it was a higher level of canon.
So can't mix and match them as equal pieces of evidence. Never could.
Considering Mace never pressed Sidious to such an extreme that Maul appeared to, I'd rather think that comparison is irrelevant.
On the other hand if Maul was legitimately overpowering Sidious in that engagement, the latter would have been pressed to draw deeply on his reserves, but he wasn't, so he wasn't.* That simple.
And the Dark Side Sourcebook doesn't say anything contradictory, that Maul nearly bested Sidious is true, and self-evident from the text, what we are disputing is whether or not Sidious allowed that to occur by not properly drawing on the Force, which he did.
*and yes, considering at the moment before Maul is beaten, Sidious essentially appears to vanish, he was absolutely holding back in speed, or something like that.
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The whole "fighting forever" is just another example of Matthew's hyperbolic writting. And the entire fight was just Mace and Sidious redirecting Dark Side energy at each other, so in theory they could keep channeling that indefinitely; nothing of the sort occurs in the Maul fight.
Additionally, your argument points to Sidious as of RotS being astronomically greater than TPM Sidious, so comparing their respective stamina is rather contradictory to begin with.
For whatever it's worth, Plagueis was amazed by pre-TPM Maul's speed.
Also I feel like I'm pointing out the obvious here, but the fact that Sidious can quickly overpower Maul when he gets serious doesn't mean he isn't legitimately achallenged by Maul's offense.
It just means Maul is better at attacking than at defending, which makes sense given his personality and the fact that he uses Juyo.
To use a boxing analogy, you can hit as hard as your opponent but if you have a glass jaw and he doesn't, you're going to lose.
An unrestrained Maul with a rage amp can almost overpower Sidious' defenses, but he can't come even close to defending himself from that same caliber of attack.
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In my own headcanon Maul only lost because of the limitations of his mechanical legs.
Ok I'm out of work. So lemme tell you how this argument fails.
You're saying that Sheev can blitz a Plagueis Tier opponent. Firstly, you have to prove that Maul is close to Plagueis in every way. Which you haven't. FYI, I hate Plagueis, he's overrated, but even I gotta admit that calling Maul an equal to Plagueis is reaching.
Saying he even pushed Sheev back is baffling too. Tbfh
-tpm sidious, who was almost killed dueling wise by an enraged maul, matches plagueis speed wise.
-tcw sidious blitzed an enraged maul in shadow conpiracy
-sidious can blitz plagueis tier opponenta
Meh I never really noticed any huge inconsistencies, but perhaps I just haven't read enough novels or comics to notice. That and I could have also just forgotten, haven't really read much SW material lately unless I'm asked for info.
But there is certain glaring inconsistencies with trying to put TCW in the Legends bracket, even moreso now that it's Canon, which is why I just treat it as the latter except for very, very selective things which actually can fit within Legends and aren't much of a stretch.
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Fair enough on Mace not pushing Sidious as hard as Maul, but that wasn't the point. You said that Sidious didn't tire because the Kursid were fodder. Mace is far from fodder, yet he could've fought for a really, really long time without exhaustion setting in. That proves your claim wrong.
According to whom? As I said, the "had only begun to tap into his reserves" is in regards to Sidious' stamina. It would be perfectly accurate to say Sidious had only begun to tap into his reserves during the conclusion of the Mace fight, even though Mace legitimately pressed him pretty hard. The same applies to the Maul fight.
Yeah, and there's no evidence Sidious didn't draw deeply on the Force, so whether Sidious allowed Maul to win or not is unknown.
Also, you failed to address the "barely deflected them all part", which should be a pretty conclusive statement. If you're holding back a gargantuan amount, you don't "barely" succeed at something; you pass with flying colors. The statement only makes sense if Sidious was going all-out.
Not sure what you're talking about here. He appeared to vanish before Maul even got his rage amp, so that's irrelevant.
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