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Scaling is what I use for that ranking. I have vanilla Vitiate equal to ROTS Sidious in the Force, and Jadus is second only to him. Being that Jadus is stated as the most powerful member of the DC, I scale him up from Darth Nox and Darth Marr, whom I have around the same level as TFU Vader. So I have Jadus between prime Vader and Plagueis.
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Oh I know. I just don't care at this point. I'm just gonna let the most cancerous of my opinions roll and see how many of you commit Seppeku before I'm done laughing.
Based on what? The "greatest of the Empire" quote could refer to many other things than power.
Disgusting, tbh. Based on what is Marr close to Vader?
So, being above Marr by a unknow marigin, who is based on nohing close to TFU Vader, puts him above Prime Vader, who´s a far more formidable opponent then TFU Vader?
Seems legit.
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Plagueis is only >Vitiate if you subscribe to the blurb nonsense, which I do not.
Jadus is second only to Vitiate, as per this quote:
“Damn it, we can’t fight him on our own—his power is second to the Emperor’s.”
—Watcher Two (Star Wars: The Old Republic)
The "greatest in the Empire quote helps to though.
Marr is approaching Vader based on the fact he is the longest standing member of the Council, putting him above everyone on the council save for Jadus. He has some accolades that would suggest superiority to the likes of Darth Nox, who has some feats that likewise approach Vader level tbh.
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For some of the quotes I use to support my scaling, look no further.
"With his humanity long forgotten and his face unseen, Marr's inner thoughts are impossible to determine. But his desire to leave a strong Empire behind him is unquestioned, and his abilities are second to none."
―Darth Marr Codex Entry (Star Wars: The Old Republic)
This would mean that, combatively speaking, Malgus was Marr's only real superior (this was after the battle of Ilum) outside of Jadus (who was dead or presumed so at this point.) Making Marr more powerful than any other Sith in the Empire at this point in time.
Darth Mortis, during the campaign against Malgus, stated that Nox would have been able to give Malgus "the fight of his life" suggesting that Nox is a near equal to FE Malgus (Malgus being one of Vader's peers.) Marr being >Nox as per the provided quote, would then confirm Marr as being at least close to Vader's level.
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You keep contradicting yourself. Malgus is Marr's real superior, but Nox is close to Malgus and inferior to Marr, so Marr is > Malgus who is a peer of Vader(I baselessly proclaim) and a guy said Jadus is 2nd to Vitiate so hurrr duurrr Jadus is Plagueis level!
Not like your accolades are actually legitimate. They're subjective character statements. The only legitimate one is the Codex Entry, which was technically made before the player even reached Act III so it shouldn't apply to prime Nox or Wrath in any sense, or FE Malgus really. And even then, the Codex Entry is also in-universe so it's not concrete.
Also, you can't cherry pick the point to which the Codex Entry accolade is valid and to which point it's not. If it says Marr is "second to none", that would include Jadus. Jadus is thus inferior and your whole failed attempt at scaling goes down the toilet.
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The codex entry can be argued to be about his administrative skills imo. The rest of the paragraph is talking about his abilities as a leader, so the context fits better.
Yet they're canonical. Also, at very least is Plagueis in Vitiate's league. You yourself said Vitty = RotS Sidious (who has enough accolades that put him above Vitty, btw), and by all means, Plagueis should be rather close to RotS Sidious.
Wasn't she from the Imperial Intelligence, also a agent from Jadus himself? She is probably biased. Either way, Marr has similar accolades. Also, see Myth's post.
Good that, bar Jadus, all DC members are Sub-Kenobi scrubs.
You also failed to explain how the Marr -> Jadus gap is bigger then the TUF -> RotJ Vader gap.
And based on what is Malgus Vader's peer?
Why can't you? You said yourself they are from an in-universe perspective. You get the Codex on Makeb, and it talks in present tense. By Makeb neither Jadus, nor Malgus is part of the Empire.
No, it doesn't lmao. The Codex starts by saying what a great warrior he is, and how we leads from the front lines. Then it talks about his morality, and in the end it says: "But his desire to leave a strong Empire behind him is unquestioned, and his abilities are second to none."
That's a pretty retarded way to say he is the best leader in the Empire. When talking about ability of a force user most of the time they mean power or skill not f-ucking leadership lmao.
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Malgus is Marr's only superior by the Battle of Ilum because Jadus was presumed dead at that point in time, so when Malgus died Marr was presumed to be the most powerful Sith alive at the time. There's no contradictions there.
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