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Malgus is Marr's only superior by the Battle of Ilum because Jadus was presumed dead at that point in time, so when Malgus died Marr was presumed to be the most powerful Sith alive at the time. There's no contradictions there.
The codex entry for Marr, to my knowledge, was unchanging, and so would need to be able to be applied to any changes that were made to the game after release. Which is why it doesn't go into detail. Meaning it can be applied to pretty much any point in time before Marr's death. So the quote still applies post Battle of Ilum, which is where my argument is centered.
It's not cherry picking, Jadus has accolades putting him above Marr, and he has feats to back those accolades. Based on these feats and accolads, Jadus IS >all other DC members, Malgus WAS >Marr, and now Marr IS >all currently living Sith as of the end of the Battle of Ilum.
Muur wins. I'm not convinced that Jadus is superior in any sort of way that'd allow him to outright overpower Muur with TK or Lightning. And Dark Transfer, Drain and Tutaminis > Teleportation.
The Codex Entry would've been made before the battle of Ilum, though, and there isn't a big gap inbetween Malgus' "death", Jadus' death and that battle so it's likely the Codex is taking Malgus and Jadus into account as well.
I'm not talking about before the game was released, you cretin. I'm talking about the fact that the Codex Entry would have been made for the Battle of Ilum so the player could find it during the battle of Ilum. That's how time works. Marr's accolade also isn't valid for several reasons:
1. It could be interpreted in other ways, and should be since it's talking about his political power and administrative abilities
2. The Codex Entries are still in-universe, so they are hardly objective
3. It completely contradicts the Jadus accolade you're trying to throw around
Jadus' statement of being > Marr is a character statement from Valkorion, who quite frankly was just trying to goad the player, and Watcher Two who has no idea what Marr is capable of. Marr himself isn't that impressive other than a vague quote. In fact, these quotes you're giving me are all actually less valid than the Plagueis blurb.
So we're back to square one. You have no basis other than character statements and conjecture, yet you deny more valid and objective statements since it doesn't suit your arbitrary hierarchy.
Chapter 2 of KotFE, when you're playing as an Agent Valkorion comments on Jadus and says that he was "the greatest Sith my empire ever produced..... yet still no match for you."
They are, tbh. At least powerwise.
Nox, Jadus and possibly Marr & Baras are more powerful, but Baras is highly unlikely. Dunno 'bout Marr.
Kenobi's feats > Thanaton's, powerwise.
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Thanaton was able to easily 1-shot Nox (and Khem) who was amped by the power of two spirits, one of which was among the greatest sorcerers from the empire with statues of him in Kaas city. Nox was already defeating powerful Jedi Masters and Sith Lords prior to getting amped and was shattering stone with their lightning. Bare in mind that 40 years prior Thanaton was able to 1-shot terentateks with lightning, yet the gap between then and his future self was immense enough that he got owned in 1 attack by a vision of his later self.
Also I like how it's "Give me something for them (barring all of the ones with actual feats and screentime) that's > Kenobi". Can Nyriss be counted in this? What about the two who shattered a citadel with their duel?
No, it's like "Give me something for them (bar the ones I have above Kenobi)", that's > Kenobi.
As I don't think the "Jadus is the greatest" is enough to put him > all other Sith of the SE power-wise, I don't count Nyriss.
Nyriss is possibly > Kenobi as well, tho
I'd agree with you on the Jadus front, but its backed up by his Dominator feat which imo is a better feat than anything else from the Empire except for the obvious exception of the Dread Masters. So the statement is supported.
Regardless though, were anyone else to be a challenge to him (like Malgus, Wrath or Nox) it would simply be because they're that good imo.
I agree that these three could beat/challenge Jadus, and that Jadus is prolly the most powerful of these guys.
Also, Thanaton is more impressive than I remembered. Not more powerful than Obi, but prolly close
Feb 9th, 2017 12:14 PM
