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Ulic Qel-Droma vs Darth Revan
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S_W_LeGenD
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Sparring sessions are learning excercises. Not sure why people consider them as a form of evidence.

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Trocity
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What's an excercise?

And when one brings up stuff like:

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Kun "got creamed" by baas when he was using one blade.



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yes, when he called a second blade to his hand and used jarkai. Before that he got wrecked by baas when they were using one blade.


...Those were during sparring sessions. All I'm doing is mentioning Kun defeated him more than once during sparring sessions, and I highly doubt he had to pull out a second lightsaber to do so every time.

Maybe Baas just really, really sucks against multiple blades, if he goes from stomping Kun to losing every time he whips out another blade. Doesn't make much sense, really.


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AncientPower
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Funny that Baas is a Weapon Master and Lightsaber Instructor with centuries of experience and is solely responsible for all of the lightsaber techniques Kun uses.

The argument is hilarious.


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Rockydonovang
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Originally posted by Trocity
What's an excercise?

And when one brings up stuff like:






...Those were during sparring sessions. All I'm doing is mentioning Kun defeated him more than once during sparring sessions, and I highly doubt he had to pull out a second lightsaber to do so every time.

Maybe Baas just really, really sucks against multiple blades, if he goes from stomping Kun to losing every time he whips out another blade. Doesn't make much sense, really.


By the time baas and kun faced each other things had escalated from being just a sparring session due to
A. Kun being caught with the holocron
B. kun's clear use of the darkside vs the other trainees.
It had escalated into a serious fight

And yea his weakness to multiple blades is pretty stupid

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AncientPower
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His weakness doesn't exist, Kun's strength was too much for his Force-imbued staff.


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Rockydonovang
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His weakness doesn't exist, Kun's strength was too much for his Force-imbued staff.

Not when he made use of one blade as he did vs ulic. What he did with other weaponry isn't relevant here

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SunRazer
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Kun's blatantly better than Baas.

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Kun's blatantly better than Baas.

yea, with a saberstaff he didn't use vs uliq

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SunRazer
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Better as a Jedi Padawan already, let alone as a Sith Lord.

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Rockydonovang
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Is that why baas matched the vastly superior sith lord kun? Is that why baas was able to influence jedi kun from across the galaxy?

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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Stalemate or Ulic. I'd need to see a good old Darth Revan wank argument from Ant to convince me otherwise, as Muser has done a solid job of convincing me of Ulic's power level. AP didn't hurt, either.


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SunRazer
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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Is that why baas matched the vastly superior sith lord kun? Is that why baas was able to influence jedi kun from across the galaxy?


1. Matched him when? Your interpretation doesn't override established facts.

2. No idea what you're talking about. Kun embracing the dark side "affected" Vodo from across the galaxy too.

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1. Matched him when? Your interpretation doesn't override established facts.

2. No idea what you're talking about.

1. In their final fight, where they fought evenly for several panels before kun mad euse of his saberstaff? I mean there's also baas stomping kun when things escalted in their first fight?

2. When kun went looking for sith artifacts on onderon, he started feeling doubts baas was giving him from dattoine. Then in nadd's tomb, despite being on a place strong with the darkside, baas gave kun those same doubts from outside orbit.

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1. lol Fighting evenly for several panels is not a difficult showing, nor does it denote unquestionable equality. Not when Kun is lauded as an unparalleled swordsman amongst the Jedi and appears to have outsparred Vodo more times than the reverse.

2. Master-apprentice bonds could easily explain that.

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Rockydonovang
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1 Being able to beat baas in sparring sessions(and no where was it indicated it was a majority btw) is pretty meaningless when baas stomps a superior version of kun when things escalate into a serious fight.
2.Did I ever say there was "unquestionable equality"? Whether Kun or Baas would have eventually won doesn't change they're obviously on the same level or that baas did indeed stalemate a vastly superior version of kun to his jedi version prior to him making use of his saber staff. And its certainly suffecient to argue he's on the same level as ulic whose performance version vs kun wasn't neccesarily better.

2. Master/apprentince bonds can't completely explain being able to influence someone light years away tbh.

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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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I'd argue that in terms of Kun vs. Baas:

In their fight when Kun was a padawan, when Kun drew upon the darkside/his rage, he was Vodo's superior, albeit through raw power and speed as opposed to skill. Remember, the dark side is a powerful tool, especially for neophytes. Luke vs. Vader? Anakin vs Dooku?

When Kun was the DLOTS, I feel that his single-saber combat with Vodo was him "catching up" with his former teacher, showing him how powerful he became. Kun didn't get serious until he whipped out the saberstaff, wherein he swiftly stomped Baas.


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1. But Kun was drawing on his darkside even when he initally got stomped by baas. By that point he'd just slammed carthar's face into the ground. And why did kun feel the need to use the second blade?

2. And in their second fight Baas was trying to reason with kun throughout the single-saber combat. And him stomping baas(though iirc baas lasted a few panels) imo can be attributed to how unothrdox his weapon is. And this is supported by it being specifically noted that baas was no match "for kun's saberstaff".

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AncientPower
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Lmfao at Baas being unfamiliar with his own weapon.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by AncientPower
Lmfao at Baas being unfamiliar with his own weapon.



In the process he once more faced his former master, - Power of the Jedi Sourcebookthis time armed with a double-bladed lightsaber of his own construction Master Vodo did not have a chance, and fell to his former student.
- The Dark Side Sourcebook

Ulic’s trial was interrupted by Exar Kun, who met his former Master face to face for the first time since his long descent into darkness. The two fought, and Vodo-Siosk Baas was no match for Exar Kun’s double-bladed lightsaber and deep reserve of dark side power. Vodo-Sioask perished, slain by his former apprentice.

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