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Kun was as powerful as Nadd's spirit when he destroyed him, and screamed across the galaxy in triumph, so Exar Kun massively pre-prime can one-shot Sunrider with Telepathy, trap Arca Jeth in a Sith spell, control the minds of millions and turn the entirety of Onderon into an unusually powerful Dark Side nexus at whim.
Then Exar Kun became extremely powerful, using Sith Sorcery to unleash unchained raw power. Then he leaves to face Ulic, after which they both gain tremendous powers until they return several years later.
Kun, already the darkest power in the galaxy, kills Odan-Urr and takes the Dark Holocron, an object unrivalled among Sith Holocrons and which made him grow in power at an ever increasing rate until he became the most powerful Sith in history, far more powerful than even his apprentice.
So Exar Kun is so far above controlling millions and one shotting some of the most powerful Jedi of his day that these are basically low showings for him.
Caedus has nothing.
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Last edited by AncientPower on Mar 7th, 2017 at 10:23 PM
Nah he just threw him like a ragdoll, he didn't actually ragdoll him:
You grab your sabers and attack, but Vader is too powerful. He tosses you away like a rag doll.
-- Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II: Prima Official Game Guide
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I'm also wondering exactly how Caedus > Vader > Starkiller is relevant to Kun at all. Exar Kun's canonical superiority to Muur, and the fact that Vector states Muur is strong enough to stop Vader, is pretty damn solid.
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He's stated to become the greatest Sith sorcerer given time, this was stated a century before his prime. With ancient Sith Lords, Sorcery basically is the bar to measure them by.
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There is no concrete evidence that Marka > Pall. There is no concrete evidence that Pall > Muur. There isn't even concrete evidence that Nadd > Marka kek. So let's stop pretending that Kun benefits from any kind of chain at all.
On the other hand yeah, Vader dominated Marek in the Force:
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His rule is confirmed to be based on power:
Ragnos > Pall.
Furthermore:
Pall > Muur, the only thing you can try and argue is that Muur became an equal, nothing indicated he ever surpassed him however. The closest we have Is a quote stating they were rivals over the mantle of Dark Lord.
Nadd is a greater sorcerer than Marka Ragnos and we don't even know if this was prime Nadd or an earlier incarnation. Given sorcery's supreme import among the Sith Lords of old, this is as good as a direct power quote.
The mental capacity to comprehend this shouldn't be beyond a fifth grader. Though we both know the real reason you're trying to claim otherwise.
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Last edited by AncientPower on Mar 9th, 2017 at 01:47 PM
1. I see three things Ragnos' rule was based on there darling, in which respect I agree, Ragnos' greatness was predicated on a set of holistic traits, not just sheer Force ability.
2. In the beginning, before his "Shadow Hands" turned against him and his authority crumbled into civil war, with all of the Exiles, Pall including, coveting the secrets of the others. Haven't I explained this to you already?
3. And no I'm afraid Nadd being a greater sorcerer than Ragnos doesn't preclude the later being more powerful. Regardless of whether it was more prominent, spells and rituals will always play second fiddle to raw power.
In the name of intellectual honesty and common sense.
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