Your reaching is indeed amusing. But unfortunately no, the statement in question makes no mention of history nor do the contexts necessitate such a baseless assumption. He was the most powerful champion the Jedi had to offer at the time, nothing more.
The context of the quote makes it clear that it's referring only to present Jedi, and possibly only the Jedi involved in the Mandalorian Wars (which would exclude the Council, etc).
It says "the Jedi Order's most powerful champion". In this case, "champion" means someone who is taking up a cause — in other words, Revan is the most powerful of all in the Jedi Order who decided to go to war with the Mandalorians. That excludes the Council but includes Alek, Arren Kae and Meetra Surik.
Not sure what you're laughing at. Any other definition of "champion" would be redundant because of the "most powerful" phrase. That'd be like saying he was the most powerful [being who was most powerful]. That doesn't make sense.
The preceding sentence discusses Revan leading Jedi into battle against the Mandalorians. Hence, "most powerful champion" means Revan was the greatest of those who went to war with the Mandalorians — the most powerful champion of that Revanchist cause, which, of course, was derived from warriors of the Jedi Order.
Of course, as I said, that's only one interpretation, but the more I think of it, the more likely it is.
I'm waiting for Ant and other Revan fanboys to start their bashing, but it's kind of irrelevant since Revan doesn't even need this accolade to put him above the Council or any of the other names I mentioned above. KotOR II made that clear already.
Last edited by SunRazer on Mar 19th, 2017 at 02:20 AM
A "champion" is someone who has proven himself in combat situations. If Revan is the greatest champion, than he is logically greatest of them all. Others haven't proven themselves in combat situations but this doesn't implies they are excluded from assessment.
By definition, a "champion" is either someone who has surpassed everyone else (ie. the best) or someone who takes up a cause. If we go by the former definition, it's redundant because it's saying he's the best twice. He's the strongest [person who has surpassed everyone else]. It makes no sense.
The other definition is that Revan has taken up the cause of fighting the Mandalorians. Others have as well, so they are all "champions", but Revan was obviously the most powerful of them all. And we have reason to believe that it's this definition because the preceding sentence mentions Revan leading Jedi and Republic forces into battle against the Mandalorians.
So that quote doesn't prove anything, but it's not necessary to begin with. KotOR II has already established Revan as being greater than any other Jedi of that time.
That's my point. You wouldn't have redundant words in a published work, lol (although Drew is a shit writer).
You're literally proving my point. The first definition of champion doesn't work because the word becomes superfluous. Therefore, it's the second definition by default. It only counts the part of the Jedi Order that was involved in the war, not the entirety of the Order.
Revan has learned everything the Jedi know. So there's no knowledge gap. And of course, he wields more raw power than any other Jedi (do I really need quotes for this?). It's clear that he's beyond any Jedi already.
Nobody said that at any point. I even acknowledged that Revan's superiority to all of the Jedi is made blatantly clear in KotOR II. All I said is that this quote doesn't refer to the same thing.
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